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steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
Who's done this, Stevie Wonder???
Jens Lehmann. Couldn't catch a cold in Moscow. FFS what a terrible excuse for a list.
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Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Where is Gordon West??? and he was better than Howard.
Bluetintedspecs
Player Valuation: £6m
I've never really rated Howard. I'm old enough to remember Neville Southall in his prime, but also remember as far back as Dai "Dropsy" Davies costing us the title in 1974/75.
Howard is a great shot stopper, as he has great reflexes, and this is why some people rate him. It's when the ball's in the air, or he has more time to think, that he's lacking, i.e. crosses and shots from distance. The number of times he stays rooted on his line when crosses come into his 6 yard box, or just outside, is untrue, and I'm not talking brilliant crosses, I'm talking crosses hit from deep, which hang in the air, so he's got plenty of time to think about it. For example, Norwich's injury time equaliser at Goodison this season.
For shots from long range, he seems to take an eternity to sort his feet out, and does this manic little shuffle with his feet, before finally diving, often too late, e.g. Lampard's winner in the 2009 cup final always sticks in my mind for obvious reasons. I can think of lots of occasions this season, and previous seasons, where he's cost us points time and time again. In my opinion, the keeper is the most vital position in the team, and Howard is not the answer and never has been.
As for that website link to a list of "all-time" best keepers someone posted, it obviously only takes into account the Premier League era. Dudek at no.36?? Bonner at no. 40??? Are they having a laugh? As for the best keepers of all time, what about Gordon Banks, Lev Yashin, Dino Zoff, Sepp Maier?
Howard is a great shot stopper, as he has great reflexes, and this is why some people rate him. It's when the ball's in the air, or he has more time to think, that he's lacking, i.e. crosses and shots from distance. The number of times he stays rooted on his line when crosses come into his 6 yard box, or just outside, is untrue, and I'm not talking brilliant crosses, I'm talking crosses hit from deep, which hang in the air, so he's got plenty of time to think about it. For example, Norwich's injury time equaliser at Goodison this season.
For shots from long range, he seems to take an eternity to sort his feet out, and does this manic little shuffle with his feet, before finally diving, often too late, e.g. Lampard's winner in the 2009 cup final always sticks in my mind for obvious reasons. I can think of lots of occasions this season, and previous seasons, where he's cost us points time and time again. In my opinion, the keeper is the most vital position in the team, and Howard is not the answer and never has been.
As for that website link to a list of "all-time" best keepers someone posted, it obviously only takes into account the Premier League era. Dudek at no.36?? Bonner at no. 40??? Are they having a laugh? As for the best keepers of all time, what about Gordon Banks, Lev Yashin, Dino Zoff, Sepp Maier?
Azzurri
Player Valuation: £70m
Er yeah, that lists seems to claim Jens Lehman and Fabian Barthez were better than Neville Southall and Tim Howard is better than Manuel Neur so I think we can ignore that.
Also, I don't see how people can claim the opinions in this thread have nothing to do with nationality when the general theme is Americans defending/promoting him and everyone else disagreeing.
Also, I don't see how people can claim the opinions in this thread have nothing to do with nationality when the general theme is Americans defending/promoting him and everyone else disagreeing.
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
People talk like we'd need mega millions to kick on. We'd be a better side by 5-8 points just by having a decent keeper.
bignev23
Player Valuation: £35m
I'd have to agree, you'll never win the league with a crap goalie, prob why Utd let him go.
Thought he was poor at Chelsea should have held one they score from - not - never has been the answer - sort it Roberto.
Maverick
Player Valuation: £8m
poor season from Howard, but he seemingly figured it out in the last 10 games or so
on the list of things we need improving though, I think the ability to score goals is what can take us over the hump back to Europe/Champs League more than replacing Howard
Howard certainly made mistakes this year (some of you say 8, some say 10 or even 13), but how many games did we dominate the ball, but we couldn't score. We need a world class striker(s) to carry us into the next level.
If we had 20mil to spend (I realize we don't just bare with me), I'd rather keep Howard and spend it on offense than keep our offense and go get a new goalie.
Lastly, Everton gave up 40 goals this year, some of you are suggesting, with a proper goalie, we would have given up less than 30. That seems kinda crazy
on the list of things we need improving though, I think the ability to score goals is what can take us over the hump back to Europe/Champs League more than replacing Howard
Howard certainly made mistakes this year (some of you say 8, some say 10 or even 13), but how many games did we dominate the ball, but we couldn't score. We need a world class striker(s) to carry us into the next level.
If we had 20mil to spend (I realize we don't just bare with me), I'd rather keep Howard and spend it on offense than keep our offense and go get a new goalie.
Lastly, Everton gave up 40 goals this year, some of you are suggesting, with a proper goalie, we would have given up less than 30. That seems kinda crazy
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
Why does it? How many basic errors did he make that cost us goals?? A better keeper wouldn't make the same amount.Plus he's an awful goalie besides the saves he cocks up and crosses he loses the flight of etc.
PeterMeter
Player Valuation: £1m
I guess when you look at it there's always going to be fair points from both sides of the argument. Tim's star jump, inability to do well with crosses and this last mishandle are all things that make Howard a lot less of a title-challenging keeper than one would wish for, but his reflexes and on-the-line work has also made for some really good saves. He's not top 4 material, but then again Arsenal have done without for the last 3-5 years.
He's been let down by his defense on a couple of occassions, so all in all I think the goals against tally is pretty correct, we're not half bad off. We've switched off several times from last minute set pieces and hoofs.
I don't really see it as a priority to replace him at the moment as I feel there are more important positions to adjust first. Central midfield being a major one since we've let a fair few goals by being overrun when we're controlling the game as well.
Our biggest focus right now though, is getting a manager that has the ability to keep this squad running. Make or break time for the next 5-10 years I think.
He's been let down by his defense on a couple of occassions, so all in all I think the goals against tally is pretty correct, we're not half bad off. We've switched off several times from last minute set pieces and hoofs.
I don't really see it as a priority to replace him at the moment as I feel there are more important positions to adjust first. Central midfield being a major one since we've let a fair few goals by being overrun when we're controlling the game as well.
Our biggest focus right now though, is getting a manager that has the ability to keep this squad running. Make or break time for the next 5-10 years I think.
I find the idea of people who live thousands of miles away and therefore never go to games, casting aspertions on whether the people who do are real supporters somewhat ironic, but there you go.
I do enjoy the way you keep couching your opinions like "Howard is the least of our problems right now" as facts, though. "Well I disagree there bill, oh wait it's a fact you say well nevermind, that's good enough for me. Lets move on".
Do explain to me how Howard is less of a problem than Baines, Jagielka or Mirallas since as the 'least of our problems' he'd clearly have to be.
Personally I'd argue the least of our problems are gremlins, vampires or the troubles in somalia as they're unlikely to cost us games, our goalkeeper otoh might well do.
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Joao Moutinho
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He was at fault for both the goals on Sunday IMO, he could have done better with the second, to beat at your near post is always gonna be your fault to some degree. Unless it's a stunner.
He's made some bad mistakes this season. Stoke, Newcastle, Norwich and Fulham spring to mind. The goals he conceded in the game were awful. We drew those games so it could have been an extra 11 points, including a possible win at Chelsea, which would have put us in Europe.
Obviously it is by no means certain that we would have won those games without him conceding those goals but you never know.
He's made some bad mistakes this season. Stoke, Newcastle, Norwich and Fulham spring to mind. The goals he conceded in the game were awful. We drew those games so it could have been an extra 11 points, including a possible win at Chelsea, which would have put us in Europe.
Obviously it is by no means certain that we would have won those games without him conceding those goals but you never know.
Christiffa25
Player Valuation: £35m
All GK's make mistakes throuout a season with "no exception" they all have....
Just using that Newcastle game as an example he arguably cost us a goal with his starfish but he also saved us a near certain goal in that same game (demba ba I think it was)
A world class GK will save you more points than he loses you
A good Gk will probably break about even, give or take dependent on form
A poor GK will lose you more points than he saves you
IMO Howard falls in the middle cat of good keeper. But closer to the top one than bottom.
Howard would be one of my least concerns currently.
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