Hypothetical Manager Shortlist No.1

[MrGrumpy]

Eddie Howe lost 7-0 Lpool over 2 games played the same way both games.

Sean Dyche is a slightly better Allardyce who sat in 7th because Everton can’t get there [Poor language removed] together and Leicester had Mahrez walking off for a month. He done a very good job but he still won nothing and been relagated and we need a WINNER of multi trophies for a change

 

[NeutralPie]

I would rather a packed defence and narrow wins than a flimsy one with some high scoring losses

The difference between Dyche and Allardyce is that he just doesn't accept defeat against the big sides. He's cagey yes, but ultimately he wants to win

His Burnley side have some impressive scalps to their name and are deservedly pushing for Europe

Give him a real budget and he'd not only have a chance to bring in a better calibre of player but he'd also get the ones we have working to their full potential as well

You bang on and on about wanting to see Howe get a chance so an English coach can manage a big club, yet you don't extend the same courtesy to Dyche, who is also English and has shown to be far more deserving of the step up than Howe has

Howe hasn't come close to achieving what Dyche has done with Burnley, and that's with more to spend and a better calibre of player to call upon

Not even a contest for me, Dyche > Howe

I have to respectfully disagree with you there.

I think it is a lot more challenging playing the kind of football Howe has, with high pressing, high turnovers and keeping the ball well, than it is to play the Dyche way which is to sit back and soak up pressure. If that's the kind of manager you want, you've already got one of the best at it in Big Sam, who himself has plenty of scalps against big teams (just maybe not under Everton yet but he's only been there 5 minutes and inherited a mess) and he's being doing it for far longer than Dyche.

You hire Dyche, you'll be sick of him within 12 months if that, and even if he did well over 3 or 4 years, you'll be yearning for more attractive football the whole time he is in charge.

Dyche is getting very good results at the moment, can not argue with that, but I think there is a lot more potential with a progressive manager like Howe.

 

[sageyefc]

Dyche and Howe are both gash. Ones Ginger allardyce and the other is a jarg Martinez ferret

 

[NeutralPie]

Eddie Howe lost 7-0 Lpool over 2 games played the same way both games.

Sean Dyche is a slightly better Allardyce who sat in 7th because Everton can’t get there [Poor language removed] together and Leicester had Mahrez walking off for a month. He done a very good job but he still won nothing and been relagated and we need a WINNER of multi trophies for a change

You can't just look at those results in isolation.

Last season he beat Liverpool 4-3 and drew 2-2 at Anfield. You have to take some chances sometimes when you play the top teams. Big Sam gets a 0-0 against Liverpool, and you probably weren't happy about it, so sometimes you are damned if you do damned if you don't. Do you want someone who is gonna have a go, or someone who is risk averse and will sit back and grind out results?

Also this season Eddie Howe has beaten Chelsea 3-0, and beaten Arsenal 3-1 I think, plus he took Man City right down to the wire, only beaten by a 97th minute goal from Sterling. He has had bad results too, but with a better squad and a much bigger budget, there is no telling what he could do.

I would snap him up before someone else does.

 

[MrGrumpy]

You can't just look at those results in isolation.

Last season he beat Liverpool 4-3 and drew 2-2 at Anfield. You have to take some chances sometimes when you play the top teams. Big Sam gets a 0-0 against Liverpool, and you probably weren't happy about it, so sometimes you are damned if you do damned if you don't. Do you want someone who is gonna have a go, or someone who is risk averse and will sit back and grind out results?

Also this season Eddie Howe has beaten Chelsea 3-0, and beaten Arsenal 3-1 I think, plus he took Man City right down to the wire, only beaten by a 97th minute goal from Sterling. He has had bad results too, but with a better squad and a much bigger budget, there is no telling what he could do.

I would snap him up before someone else does.

Look Eddie your not getting the Everton job we don’t want you.

 

[TyphooToffee]

Leyton Orient. I just signed up yesterday, as I thought it was an interesting crossroads Everton find themselves at. I don't think Allardyce is as bad as some of you think, and I think the football would get better next season under him, but if he were to go, and it is someone more progressive you want I'd like to see Eddie Howe being given an opportunity at a big club, the most talented young English manager for me, and I think it would be a good medium to long term fit for both parties. And at least with him, if he does well, you don't need to worry about the Barcelonas and Real Madrids of the world turning his head, as I think we in England aren't as obsessed with those clubs as a lot of the foreigners are.

I think he'd be the way forward, young, plays progressive attractive football, and I get the feeling he'd be loyal, and most importantly is proven in the Premier League. What's not to like? Of course anyone is a risk, and you'd need to give time and support, it is difficult to turn a club round in a few months, but I think it would pay off if he was given the opportunity.

Hey, my wife's an Orient fan too! She's from Walthamstow whereas I, of course, am not from East London. Here's us with Helen Chamberlain in 2005 when I was the Stranger on the Sofa on SoccerAM

 

[TyphooToffee]

Leyton Orient. I just signed up yesterday, as I thought it was an interesting crossroads Everton find themselves at. I don't think Allardyce is as bad as some of you think, and I think the football would get better next season under him, but if he were to go, and it is someone more progressive you want I'd like to see Eddie Howe being given an opportunity at a big club, the most talented young English manager for me, and I think it would be a good medium to long term fit for both parties. And at least with him, if he does well, you don't need to worry about the Barcelonas and Real Madrids of the world turning his head, as I think we in England aren't as obsessed with those clubs as a lot of the foreigners are.

I think he'd be the way forward, young, plays progressive attractive football, and I get the feeling he'd be loyal, and most importantly is proven in the Premier League. What's not to like? Of course anyone is a risk, and you'd need to give time and support, it is difficult to turn a club round in a few months, but I think it would pay off if he was given the opportunity.

I should have commented on this before blundering in with yet another self-advertising photo. You talk too much sense to last long on here, but feel free to chip in because sometimes talking to a non-Evertonian is a bit like Gestalt psychology, and it's always good to talk to someone who hasn't got an axe to grind.

 

[Bluelenny1984]

I think the more pertinent questions are why would he come here when he'll have a choice of teams to pick through?, and why would he come to a club that needs to have a complete overhaul of its squad?

Never in a million years will he arrive here. No decent manager will.

Silva is a very good compromise for us now. He's available and free.

So whilst I see your point and in many ways your right why would a top quality couch come to Everton, I do think the game is all about money now!

So it may take making a top name the best paid manager in the league but if Moshiri does that it does a number of things
1. Makes a statement
2. Puts doubts over his intentions to bed
3. Gives us assurance that the man in charge is a man to be given time
4. Signals to everyone else that were not the jokes we appear to have become
5. Hopefully brings about a culture change as a winning manager will hopefully bring that mentality to a small time thinking club

I see your point I do but I'm sick of watching us always being small time. Make a statement no matter what the cost!! And for me it starts at the top!

 

[NeutralPie]

Hey, my wife's an Orient fan too! She's from Walthamstow whereas I, of course, am not from East London. Here's us with Helen Chamberlain in 2005 when I was the Stranger on the Sofa on SoccerAM

Just down the road from where I grew up, well about a 15 minute walk, few minutes on the bus. Knew you had good taste, TyphooToffee!

Not been a good time to be an Orient fan last few years, sadly, but we've got rid of the last owner now, who has to be one of the worst in history, and new manager in charge now (Justin Edinburgh) who seems to have steadied the ship, and results are improving now when some of us were fearing the worst, so hopefully we can have a good season next year and get back into the football league! Ori ori ori ori Orient!

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

In general I think it's fair to say that Fonseca ans Silva are rated pretty closely together.
If Hull could attract Silva I see no reason we couldn't attract Fonseca.
To add to that is the fact that the only statement Fonseca has made concerning his future saw him declaring his determination to manage in the PL in the future.
He may not arrive here but there's no reason to suppose it's because he wouldn't come here if he was offered the job.

 

[maccavennie]

Eddie Howe smells his dogs farts.

lol

 

[davek]

He wanted a move, didn't get it, so sulked and downed tools Dave

He also bailed on Hull the minute they got relegated

Contrast that with Dyche, who got relegated, stuck with his club, got them back up and is now looking to qualify them for Europe on a shoestring budget

I know who I'd rather have at Everton

Dyche stuck with Burnley because he wasn't in demand elsewhere, Silva was.

As for Silva being disloyal/unprofessional at Hull/Watford I dont see it. Hull he was with to give them his best shot when he was brought in late in the season (there was no time for loyalty to develop from either direction), at Watford he actually DIDN,T wish to walk out and look like a mercenary - which was to his credit.

 

[davek]

So whilst I see your point and in many ways your right why would a top quality couch come to Everton, I do think the game is all about money now!

So it may take making a top name the best paid manager in the league but if Moshiri does that it does a number of things
1. Makes a statement
2. Puts doubts over his intentions to bed
3. Gives us assurance that the man in charge is a man to be given time
4. Signals to everyone else that were not the jokes we appear to have become
5. Hopefully brings about a culture change as a winning manager will hopefully bring that mentality to a small time thinking club

I see your point I do but I'm sick of watching us always being small time. Make a statement no matter what the cost!! And for me it starts at the top!

We need to get real and start admitting that we are now - after the Koeman and Allardyce tenures - damaged goods in the world of football. Just having the cash to pay a manager £8M to £10M wont be enough. Most managers capable of securing that type of wage will also want a team to take onto the next level immediately, they dont want a load of rubbish to get shut of like we have.

Silva will be fine for us. He'd get us playing and organised and back on the path to recovery - even if he cant do anything spectacular.

 

[4737carlin]

Dyche stuck with Burnley because he wasn't in demand elsewhere, Silva was.

As for Silva being disloyal/unprofessional at Hull/Watford I dont see it. Hull he was with to give them his best shot when he was brought in late in the season (there was no time for loyalty to develop from either direction), at Watford he actually DIDN,T wish to walk out and look like a mercenary - which was to his credit.

Maybe you are right and he wasnt unprofessional, however he isnt very good at team managment, which is the main reason we need to stay away from him, winning 6 games at those two sides isnt enough, even now Sam has 8 wins in less games and a higher %

Silva will be fine for us. He'd get us playing and organised and back on the path to recovery - even if he cant do anything spectacular.

Which is basically what Koeman did after Martinez?

 

[welshtoffee]

Why would anyone want Silva, just look at the pole Allardyce has a nearly similar percentage as Silva...That says it all !!!