Hypothetical Manager Shortlist No.1

[Goat]

Who on earth is graham potter?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Potter

Took some no mark Swedish team up and then won a cup.

 

[Connor]

...BetVictor have opened a ‘Next Everton Manager’ market;

Marco Silva 4/5
Paula Fonseca 4/1
Louis van Gaal 8/1
Arsene Wenger 10/1
Patrick Vieira 14/1
Slavin Bilic 14/1
Phillip Cocu 20/1
Michael Arteta 20/1
Sean Dyche 25/1
Andre Villas Boas 25/1
Martin O’Neil 33/1
Steve Bruce 33/1
Chris Wilder 33/1
Mark Hughes 33/1
Michael O’Neill 33/1
Eddie Howe 33/1
David Unsworth 33/1
Tony Pulis 33/1
Gary Monk 33/1
Oscar Garcia 33/1
Slavisa jokanovic 33/1
Rui Vitoria 33/1
Derek McInnes 33/1
Nuno Santo 33/1
Mauricio Pelligrini 33/1
Guus Hiddink 33/1
Ralf Randnick 33/1
Rafael Benitez 33/1
Massemiliano Allegri 40/1
Laurent Blanc 40/1
Aitor Karanka 40/1
Phil Neville 40/1
Luis Enrique 40/1
Craig Shakespeare 40/1
Alan Stubbs 40/1
Carlo Ancelloti 40/1
Diego Simeone 40/1
Graham Potter 40/1
Joachim Lowe 40/1
Thomas Tuchel 40/1
David Wagner 40/1
Peter Reid 50/1
Duncan Ferguson 50/1
Glen Hoddle 50/1

....interesting, might be a bit of value in there.

Zero value in there - the leading candidates are 4/5 and 4/1 - and it's not like when we sacked Martinez where there was a new favourite every few days, it's only going to be between Silva and Fonseca despite whatever other rubbish names are linked.

Harry's dad.

Harry's dads' name was James.

 

[Gladystweet]

Zero value in there - the leading candidates are 4/5 and 4/1 - and it's not like when we sacked Martinez where there was a new favourite every few days, it's only going to be between Silva and Fonseca despite whatever other rubbish names are linked.



Harry's dads' name was James.

I'm appalled you knew that.

 

[Connor]

I'm appalled you knew that.

 

[UsernameEverton]

What about Michel Preud’Homme?

 

[brieverton]

Interesting Silva is priced so short, but doesn't get much of a mention on here or more broadly.

Indeed when the likelihood is that he will be the next manager. Wouldn’t have to wait more than 48 hrs after a vacancy arising I think if he is the man. If it went on any longer then they have their sights set on someone else.

I read up on him in more detail over the weekend and whilst I have some concerns, what came through was his attention to detail, tactical awareness and man management.

There are lots of similarities to Martinez and I think he would benefit from a British No.2 but I’m sure he would bring a lot of enthusiasm to the job and give the place a lift.

I’m happy to support Silva if it’s him as indeed I’ll back any Everton manager until they show themselves undeserving of that support, Allardyce being a case in point.

 

[Boss_Rarkley]

Arsenal hopeful of appointing a new manager before the WC according to SSN.

I do wonder if we have a realistic chance of appointing Wenger? He would instantly be on Moshiri's 'best of the rest radar' (Koeman,Walsh, Silva) knows Moshiri from Arsenal and perhaps is settled and would like to stay in England.

Obviously they'll be bigger options than him but I do think as an outside bet we have a chance.

 

[catcherintherye]

Indeed when the likelihood is that he will be the next manager. Wouldn’t have to wait more than 48 hrs after a vacancy arising I think if he is the man. If it went on any longer then they have their sights set on someone else.

I read up on him in more detail over the weekend and whilst I have some concerns, what came through was his attention to detail, tactical awareness and man management.

There are lots of similarities to Martinez and I think he would benefit from a British No.2 but I’m sure he would bring a lot of enthusiasm to the job and give the place a lift.

I’m happy to support Silva if it’s him as indeed I’ll back any Everton manager until they show themselves undeserving of that support, Allardyce being a case in point.

I think people take a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. Silva went from top of almost every list to someone we are all lukewarm on in about 6 weeks. Watford's squad have a history of throwing managers under the bus when they leave, and they repeated the same trick with him.

With Silva you are getting a very successful young coach, who is younger than Fonseca and has a very similar record to him up to the point he came to the Premier League. He has also had 12 months in the Premier League which could be interpreted either way. Yes he got Hull relegated but he doubled their PPG, having had to sell their best players and gave them a competitive chance. Likewise it fell apart at Watford, but prior to us coming in for him, he looked to have organised them into a very effective team.

He's a good age as well. I have my doubts how long he will stay for, but he could easily be a manager who could be at the very least a medium term option (3+ years). I do think there will be some question as to whether both he and the club travel in the same direction at the same speed, and if they don't one or both will move on. I also think it might be a shame for both, as I think we are both at a similar position in trajectory. We have threatened to go to the elite level, but for one reason or another it's not quite worked out. I think for both parties, a bit of loyalty to one another for 5 years would do both a lot of good, but as I say I am doubtful we will get that.

He is a bit Martinez light, but as with most of our ex managers there doesn't often seem much of a balanced analysis of them. For many, Moyes, Martinez and Koeman are all rubbish. At what point is it a problem with the club not the managers? Martinez had lots of faults, but he also did a lot of things well. We blooded and really brought on several young players, most notably Stones, Lukaku, Barkley and Deulofeu. What did for him was not ensuring the fitness levels were high enough to press and/or not making enough pragmatic choices to help cover for this. I also think after an initial burst forward, none of the above 4 developed quickly enough or by the end at all.

I would be hopefully Silva could take some of the better aspects of Martinez and hopefully add a little more steel and a winning mentality (as he did in Greece and Portugal). I think for lads like Lookman & Dowell his introduction could be very similar to the summer Martinez came, plucked Ross Barkley from relative obscurity and had him playing the best football of his career and had him in the England team. With Watford he also had big lads in midfield, Doucoure and Chalobolah were both astute signings and big powerful players. I'm not sure we'd be as easy to play against as Martinez's Everton were.

As I've said, he's not perfect. Few managers are and I think as fans we have to be realistic to say it's unlikely we get a Simeone/Ancelotti type manager so pointing out he's not as good as them while true doesn't help the discussion. It's also fair to say we can't attract the very top level of young coaches, Tuchel in particular wants a bigger project, Fonseca seems cautious, and some of the riskier names (notably Favre, Nagelsman) just seem far too much of a risk for Moshiri who seems to want a degree of experience. I don't see him going for what I'd like to see as a big turn towards youth and trying to emulate what a RB Leipzig would do, so I think we have to discount that.

He's not perfect, but as a club currently neither are we. We have a squad that has been badly put together and unbalanced and is therefore some way off the 6 teams above us and an expectation from supporters and an "owner" that we need to be competing to win trophies and do so in an attractive way. I wouldn't be jumping for joy with Silva, but he'd be a big step forward. His learning curve at Hull and Watford we may well get the full value of.

 

[Boss_Rarkley]

I think people take a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. Silva went from top of almost every list to someone we are all lukewarm on in about 6 weeks. Watford's squad have a history of throwing managers under the bus when they leave, and they repeated the same trick with him.

With Silva you are getting a very successful young coach, who is younger than Fonseca and has a very similar record to him up to the point he came to the Premier League. He has also had 12 months in the Premier League which could be interpreted either way. Yes he got Hull relegated but he doubled their PPG, having had to sell their best players and gave them a competitive chance. Likewise it fell apart at Watford, but prior to us coming in for him, he looked to have organised them into a very effective team.

He's a good age as well. I have my doubts how long he will stay for, but he could easily be a manager who could be at the very least a medium term option (3+ years). I do think there will be some question as to whether both he and the club travel in the same direction at the same speed, and if they don't one or both will move on. I also think it might be a shame for both, as I think we are both at a similar position in trajectory. We have threatened to go to the elite level, but for one reason or another it's not quite worked out. I think for both parties, a bit of loyalty to one another for 5 years would do both a lot of good, but as I say I am doubtful we will get that.

He is a bit Martinez light, but as with most of our ex managers there doesn't often seem much of a balanced analysis of them. For many, Moyes, Martinez and Koeman are all rubbish. At what point is it a problem with the club not the managers? Martinez had lots of faults, but he also did a lot of things well. We blooded and really brought on several young players, most notably Stones, Lukaku, Barkley and Deulofeu. What did for him was not ensuring the fitness levels were high enough to press and/or not making enough pragmatic choices to help cover for this. I also think after an initial burst forward, none of the above 4 developed quickly enough or by the end at all.

I would be hopefully Silva could take some of the better aspects of Martinez and hopefully add a little more steel and a winning mentality (as he did in Greece and Portugal). I think for lads like Lookman & Dowell his introduction could be very similar to the summer Martinez came, plucked Ross Barkley from relative obscurity and had him playing the best football of his career and had him in the England team. With Watford he also had big lads in midfield, Doucoure and Chalobolah were both astute signings and big powerful players. I'm not sure we'd be as easy to play against as Martinez's Everton were.

As I've said, he's not perfect. Few managers are and I think as fans we have to be realistic to say it's unlikely we get a Simeone/Ancelotti type manager so pointing out he's not as good as them while true doesn't help the discussion. It's also fair to say we can't attract the very top level of young coaches, Tuchel in particular wants a bigger project, Fonseca seems cautious, and some of the riskier names (notably Favre, Nagelsman) just seem far too much of a risk for Moshiri who seems to want a degree of experience. I don't see him going for what I'd like to see as a big turn towards youth and trying to emulate what a RB Leipzig would do, so I think we have to discount that.

He's not perfect, but as a club currently neither are we. We have a squad that has been badly put together and unbalanced and is therefore some way off the 6 teams above us and an expectation from supporters and an "owner" that we need to be competing to win trophies and do so in an attractive way. I wouldn't be jumping for joy with Silva, but he'd be a big step forward. His learning curve at Hull and Watford we may well get the full value of.

If you actually look at Silva's results at Watford they are very patchy- i would also argue the clubs usually in the top 10 (Everton, Saints, Leicister and Stoke) all having bad seasons made them and burnley look better than what they were/are.

I really don't want Silva and think he wouldnt improve us.

At minimum I would want Fonesca if we are to get shot of Alladyce. We need to go out all for Wenger and Emery though. I feel Moshiri will be wanting to go for Wenger aswell.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I think people take a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. Silva went from top of almost every list to someone we are all lukewarm on in about 6 weeks. Watford's squad have a history of throwing managers under the bus when they leave, and they repeated the same trick with him.

With Silva you are getting a very successful young coach, who is younger than Fonseca and has a very similar record to him up to the point he came to the Premier League. He has also had 12 months in the Premier League which could be interpreted either way. Yes he got Hull relegated but he doubled their PPG, having had to sell their best players and gave them a competitive chance. Likewise it fell apart at Watford, but prior to us coming in for him, he looked to have organised them into a very effective team.

He's a good age as well. I have my doubts how long he will stay for, but he could easily be a manager who could be at the very least a medium term option (3+ years). I do think there will be some question as to whether both he and the club travel in the same direction at the same speed, and if they don't one or both will move on. I also think it might be a shame for both, as I think we are both at a similar position in trajectory. We have threatened to go to the elite level, but for one reason or another it's not quite worked out. I think for both parties, a bit of loyalty to one another for 5 years would do both a lot of good, but as I say I am doubtful we will get that.

He is a bit Martinez light, but as with most of our ex managers there doesn't often seem much of a balanced analysis of them. For many, Moyes, Martinez and Koeman are all rubbish. At what point is it a problem with the club not the managers? Martinez had lots of faults, but he also did a lot of things well. We blooded and really brought on several young players, most notably Stones, Lukaku, Barkley and Deulofeu. What did for him was not ensuring the fitness levels were high enough to press and/or not making enough pragmatic choices to help cover for this. I also think after an initial burst forward, none of the above 4 developed quickly enough or by the end at all.

I would be hopefully Silva could take some of the better aspects of Martinez and hopefully add a little more steel and a winning mentality (as he did in Greece and Portugal). I think for lads like Lookman & Dowell his introduction could be very similar to the summer Martinez came, plucked Ross Barkley from relative obscurity and had him playing the best football of his career and had him in the England team. With Watford he also had big lads in midfield, Doucoure and Chalobolah were both astute signings and big powerful players. I'm not sure we'd be as easy to play against as Martinez's Everton were.

As I've said, he's not perfect. Few managers are and I think as fans we have to be realistic to say it's unlikely we get a Simeone/Ancelotti type manager so pointing out he's not as good as them while true doesn't help the discussion. It's also fair to say we can't attract the very top level of young coaches, Tuchel in particular wants a bigger project, Fonseca seems cautious, and some of the riskier names (notably Favre, Nagelsman) just seem far too much of a risk for Moshiri who seems to want a degree of experience. I don't see him going for what I'd like to see as a big turn towards youth and trying to emulate what a RB Leipzig would do, so I think we have to discount that.

He's not perfect, but as a club currently neither are we. We have a squad that has been badly put together and unbalanced and is therefore some way off the 6 teams above us and an expectation from supporters and an "owner" that we need to be competing to win trophies and do so in an attractive way. I wouldn't be jumping for joy with Silva, but he'd be a big step forward. His learning curve at Hull and Watford we may well get the full value of.

Good post this. I've mentioned before I read an article a few years ago in which Silva and Fonseca were discussed in the context of both being up and coming managers and both being Portugese. Whilst the article was full of praise for the potential of both it was the younger man Silva who it felt would climb higher.
I would be happy with either but as you observe the learning curve Silva has already experienced in the PL may well be to our advantage.

 

[bullybeef]

Think it speaks volumes that Silva hasn’t taken another job yet.

Moshiri wanted him when he was at Watford and was prepared to pay a hefty fee for him too.

It would be strange if we weren’t back in for him this summer.

 

[Seathestars]

What about Michel Preud’Homme?

Is that an aftershave?

 

[catcherintherye]

If you actually look at Silva's results at Watford they are very patchy- i would also argue the clubs usually in the top 10 (Everton, Saints, Leicister and Stoke) all having bad seasons made them and burnley look better than what they were/are.

I really don't want Silva and think he's going to do not much more than Alladyce.

At minimum I would want Fonesca if we are to get shot of Alladyce. We need to go out all for Wenger and Emery though. I feel Moshiri will be wanting to go for Wenger aswell.

They are all good points mate. I think the Watford performance is far too small a sample size to make any big generalisations from, but strangely he did ok at Hull even though he took them down.

I probably agree he does little better than Sam, though I think the key difference is that he could far easier work into a progressive and forward thinking club recruitment strategy, and I believe over time he has the potential to push us into the top 4. I don't see that at all with Allardyce.

The Wenger shout is a very interesting one. Clearly Moshiri values experience and I do think, with the right team around him someone could really tap into Wenger's experience. IF he came I would like to see Arteta come with him and almost be primed for the job if it went well.

I'd love Emery but can't see it happening, and would like Fonseca but again think it might be difficult.

 

[catcherintherye]

Good post this. I've mentioned before I read an article a few years ago in which Silva and Fonseca were discussed in the context of both being up and coming managers and both being Portugese. Whilst the article was full of praise for the potential of both it was the younger man Silva who it felt would climb higher.
I would be happy with either but as you observe the learning curve Silva has already experienced in the PL may well be to our advantage.

Thanks mate. Silva is 4 years younger I think. I do think he has enormous potential when you look at what he's achieved at 41. I like the fact he has PL experience, albeit somewhat mixed and is a big plus point. He's not my number 1 choice, I don't like he hasn't stayed somewhere a long time, and I haven't seen enough evidence of him developing/improving young players for my liking, but he'd be a good choice for me.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Thanks mate. Silva is 4 years younger I think. I do think he has enormous potential when you look at what he's achieved at 41. I like the fact he has PL experience, albeit somewhat mixed and is a big plus point. He's not my number 1 choice, I don't like he hasn't stayed somewhere a long time, and I haven't seen enough evidence of him developing/improving young players for my liking, but he'd be a good choice for me.

To be honest I'm surprised how far he has fallen in Evertonians ratings.
His ultimate failure at Hull can only be seen as a failure because he had previously raised them to the point where no one expected them to go down which considering their position when he commenced was very impressive.
At Watford he had only just started and was looking impressive when we stepped in with our interest. I find it a bit simplistic to divorce his poor run from our intervention, the timing was too coincidental for me.
Personally I think he informed them he would join us at the end of the season and their board immediately made it clear that they would , in that case, replace him forthwith. If I am right it would be no surprise that this would affect team spirit with the consequences we witnessed.