2018/19 Idrissa Gueye

[Papa Shango]

It's not just the passes he misses, it's the lack of vision. Digne spends his time usually in tonnes of space. A good CM can either hit the long diagonal or thread him in behind. Gueye is completely incapable.

Gareth Barry was ten times the player.

He is not completely incapable of it.

Every so often he produces a cracking ball. Its his basic passes that he seems to mess up more often than not.

Like most players he has his strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Nymzee]

Ascacibar would be an improvement for me.

 

[Goat]

Imagine having to convince people what Gana brings to the team.

I honestly doubt any of you even watch the footy.

 

[BlueToff]

Thanks for that Toff.

I take the point that the top sides tackling stats for their DM may be lower due to them having more possession.

However, as you highlighted, the highest number of tackles in a top 6 team by their DM would be ranked 13th on the list.

Ergo from 13-20 of 8 teams DMs the top 6 occupy 6 of those 8 positions.


What that 'should' point to from an analytical perspective is that as a team we should seek to be in that similar statistical grouping in order to be 'following the pattern analysis' presented to us.

For whatever conclusions this may bring...

If we delved deeper then it may be that our central midfield (and team as a whole) need to work on possession more for a similar statistic.

I wonder if a deep lying playmaker would push us towards this trend or two box to box centre midfielders...

I know you like Neves in that deep lying role and, weirdly enough, he's also high on the list, tied 11th with 39 tackles.

Doucoure and Capoue are tied ninth.

Strangely, Felipe Anderson is in seventh with 41.

 

[Rugby Toffee]

Gana is a great fit alongside Andre. Hope he is back for the Spurs game

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Not the Kante nonsense again for goodness sake.

Kante is a world class player. Just won a world cup.

Gueye is a bang average middle of the road top flight player who lacks the all round game to ever be a quality central midfielder.

We currently don't have better than Gueye in that role but he's one of the easiest players to replace. We need quality on the ball.

Exactly
Gana wouldn’t even make the French squad

 

[dublinbluenose]

Exactly
Gana wouldn’t even make the French squad

Neither would Messi

 

[catcherintherye]

Here's the thing about Gueye though mste for me, yup he can lead all Europe in essence on every defensive stat catagory, but can guarantee that not a single one of the top defensive midfielders gives the ball away suicidally a 10th as often as he does.

His pass % etc is fine, but when he turns the ball over with a complete nonsensical pass in stupid areas more often than any rated defensive mid I've seen.

It also has nothing to do with quality of players around him either as I've seen him do it with dross here and seen him do it with the same regularity with Gomes alongside him.

For me Gana is allegorical of this team really. He kind of does well what we do well as a team but has similar limitations. His stats at home, particularly against the "tier 2" sides are very good. He swarms all over them and puts them under enormous pressure.

Against the top teams, particularly away from home he is less effective. They are better on the ball and he gets bypassed a bit.

The hope will be that this side outgrows him. I don't think we are at the point yet, and may not be for another 18 months. At being a purely destructive midfield player he's one of the best. The question will always be what else can you add to the game. Some of the top destroyer were generally better on the ball than him.

Normally I would be in favour of sticking with him until the team organically outgrows him. I do think 2 factors confuse this though. Firstly the links to transfers away from the club have to be considered. If PSG offered upwards of £30million I'd really consider moving him on. You also have to factor in his age, while not too old to play the position, but he is not going to radically change or improve his game currently. I suspect he will always be found a bit wanting in the big games. Whereas other lads, like say Davies or DCL are young enough to improve and be moulded.

The 2nd point is I don't see a Gana type player really fitting the Silva system. If you look at Watford he didn't really use a specialist defensive midfield player. My suspicion is he is after a bigger player who is more comfortable on the ball. Either a Doucoure powerhouse or a playmaker like Barrios would probably suit more.

It will be interesting to see how the question is navigated in the January (if not the summer). Recruitment is about priorities and identifying what needs to be urgently done. He's not an urgent priority but how quickly we move forward will be interesting. I kind of throw Walcott, Coleman, Keane and Gana into the same pot really. All predate Silva (and more importantly) Brands arrival. With the exception of Keane all of them are of an age where they won't be improving but declining. I'm not sure any perfectly fit what Silva wants. The team has to move beyond them though.

 

[billyblue80]

Does his job well pressing and intercepting and we missed him versus City but against Watford and Newcastle they pressed him with the ball because they know his passing is his weakness. We need someone to rotate/eventually replace him in the DM who can also distribute the ball aswell.

 

[Zatara]

For me Gana is allegorical of this team really. He kind of does well what we do well as a team but has similar limitations. His stats at home, particularly against the "tier 2" sides are very good. He swarms all over them and puts them under enormous pressure.

Against the top teams, particularly away from home he is less effective. They are better on the ball and he gets bypassed a bit.

The hope will be that this side outgrows him. I don't think we are at the point yet, and may not be for another 18 months. At being a purely destructive midfield player he's one of the best. The question will always be what else can you add to the game. Some of the top destroyer were generally better on the ball than him.

Normally I would be in favour of sticking with him until the team organically outgrows him. I do think 2 factors confuse this though. Firstly the links to transfers away from the club have to be considered. If PSG offered upwards of £30million I'd really consider moving him on. You also have to factor in his age, while not too old to play the position, but he is not going to radically change or improve his game currently. I suspect he will always be found a bit wanting in the big games. Whereas other lads, like say Davies or DCL are young enough to improve and be moulded.

The 2nd point is I don't see a Gana type player really fitting the Silva system. If you look at Watford he didn't really use a specialist defensive midfield player. My suspicion is he is after a bigger player who is more comfortable on the ball. Either a Doucoure powerhouse or a playmaker like Barrios would probably suit more.

It will be interesting to see how the question is navigated in the January (if not the summer). Recruitment is about priorities and identifying what needs to be urgently done. He's not an urgent priority but how quickly we move forward will be interesting. I kind of throw Walcott, Coleman, Keane and Gana into the same pot really. All predate Silva (and more importantly) Brands arrival. With the exception of Keane all of them are of an age where they won't be improving but declining. I'm not sure any perfectly fit what Silva wants. The team has to move beyond them though.

Walcott, Coleman, Sigurdsson and Gana are now coming up to the last 2 windows we could get any decent resale value.

If we compare them to Digne (£18mil) Mina (£27mil) Bernard (free) Gomes (could have been £30mil) and Richarlison £33mil) then i struggle to see any benefit playing wise to keep any of them.

When you add Gana to Besic and Schneiderlin the transfer value may be around £45mil.

If we scraped together another £15mil then thats the value of the top tier marquee players expected to move on in Jan or summer like De jong and Ndombele.

Im not saying we could get them, but we would have a very decent pot of cash to bring someone in. Perhaps £45mil buys Doucoure?

 

[Zatara]

For me Gana is allegorical of this team really. He kind of does well what we do well as a team but has similar limitations. His stats at home, particularly against the "tier 2" sides are very good. He swarms all over them and puts them under enormous pressure.

Against the top teams, particularly away from home he is less effective. They are better on the ball and he gets bypassed a bit.

The hope will be that this side outgrows him. I don't think we are at the point yet, and may not be for another 18 months. At being a purely destructive midfield player he's one of the best. The question will always be what else can you add to the game. Some of the top destroyer were generally better on the ball than him.

Normally I would be in favour of sticking with him until the team organically outgrows him. I do think 2 factors confuse this though. Firstly the links to transfers away from the club have to be considered. If PSG offered upwards of £30million I'd really consider moving him on. You also have to factor in his age, while not too old to play the position, but he is not going to radically change or improve his game currently. I suspect he will always be found a bit wanting in the big games. Whereas other lads, like say Davies or DCL are young enough to improve and be moulded.

The 2nd point is I don't see a Gana type player really fitting the Silva system. If you look at Watford he didn't really use a specialist defensive midfield player. My suspicion is he is after a bigger player who is more comfortable on the ball. Either a Doucoure powerhouse or a playmaker like Barrios would probably suit more.

It will be interesting to see how the question is navigated in the January (if not the summer). Recruitment is about priorities and identifying what needs to be urgently done. He's not an urgent priority but how quickly we move forward will be interesting. I kind of throw Walcott, Coleman, Keane and Gana into the same pot really. All predate Silva (and more importantly) Brands arrival. With the exception of Keane all of them are of an age where they won't be improving but declining. I'm not sure any perfectly fit what Silva wants. The team has to move beyond them though.

Walcott, Coleman, Sigurdsson and Gana are now coming up to the last 2 windows we could get any decent resale value.

If we compare them to Digne (£18mil) Mina (£27mil) Bernard (free) Gomes (could have been £30mil) and Richarlison £33mil) then i struggle to see any benefit playing wise to keep any of them.

When you add Gana to Besic and Schneiderlin the transfer value may be around £45mil.

If we scraped together another £15mil then thats the value of the top tier marquee players expected to move on in Jan or summer like De jong and Ndombele.

Im not saying we could get them, but we would have a very decent pot of cash to bring someone in. Perhaps £45mil buys Doucoure?

 

[Goat]

Walcott, Coleman, Sigurdsson and Gana are now coming up to the last 2 windows we could get any decent resale value.

If we compare them to Digne (£18mil) Mina (£27mil) Bernard (free) Gomes (could have been £30mil) and Richarlison £33mil) then i struggle to see any benefit playing wise to keep any of them.

When you add Gana to Besic and Schneiderlin the transfer value may be around £45mil.

If we scraped together another £15mil then thats the value of the top tier marquee players expected to move on in Jan or summer like De jong and Ndombele.

Im not saying we could get them, but we would have a very decent pot of cash to bring someone in. Perhaps £45mil buys Doucoure?

What year are you in on your save Zat?

Any decent regens?

 

[Zatara]

What year are you in on your save Zat?

Any decent regens?

Im assuming save means computer game...

Regens?

 

[DRAGONZ_RULE]

I'd venture there are a lot of issues that need to be resolved before Gueye is replaced by the next N'golo Kante bought for £50m.

Obvious examples include:
- Coleman needs to be replaced. He either needs to become a back-up right back, or a back-up also needs to be found.
- Tosun has proved incapable of leading the line, a striker should be the top priority.
- Walcott is past it, and really hasn't been consistently up to the level for roughly 10 years now, outside of a good game or two now and then.
- The youngsters coming through that won't be good enough e.g. Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Holgate. Most likely you can chuck Lookman, Vlasic, Dowell, Browning and Baningime are in this bracket too, none of them have shown they will be proper world class in the future.
- There is so much other deadweight throughout the squad that needs to be cleared out e.g. Baines, Schneirderlin, Jagielka, Niasse, Stekelenburg, McCarthy.

One of the squad's best players currently (Gomes) is only on loan, and buying him will likely cost £30-35m. That wipes out half a (rather large) transfer budget in one fell swoop without improving the current squad at all.

Pretty much all of that needs to be done before you start binning off one of today's better players. After that, should Everton look to become a genuine challenger to Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal etc, they will then need to look at players like Gueye, Pickford, Keane, Bernard and Sigurdsson who would not be good enough to command spots in those aforementioned sides.

Even look at Gomes, Mina, Richarlison ... which of them would start at City or Liverpool today? As a neutral, my thoughts are:
- Sterling, Sane, Salah and Mane would start over Richarlison. Arguably he would be the next best option off the bench (ahead of guys like Mahrez, Jesus, Shaqiri, Sturridge)
- VVD, Laporte and Stones would start over Mina. Perhaps throw a blanket over Mina and Gomez, but Gomez is 3 or 4 years younger. He would get a start over Lovren, Matip, Kompany (due to age). Unsure with Otamendi, he sometimes looks shaky but is also in last year's EPL team of the season.
- Gomes would only have to compete with guys like Kevin De Bruyne, David Silva, Bernardo Silva, Fernandinho, Fabinho, Wijnaldum and £60m Naby Keita .... haha.

So that's the challenge. If Everton want to be the best, there's virtually a whole starting lineup and squad that needs replacing. Just think about what Manchester City can name as a Second XI, you see it's a side that would finish top-half in the Prem itself, and you can see the enormity of the challenge:
Danilo Kompany Otamendi Zinchenko
Delph Gundogan Foden
Mahrez Jesus B.Silva

 

[Zatara]

I'd venture there are a lot of issues that need to be resolved before Gueye is replaced by the next N'golo Kante bought for £50m.

Obvious examples include:
- Coleman needs to be replaced. He either needs to become a back-up right back, or a back-up also needs to be found.
- Tosun has proved incapable of leading the line, a striker should be the top priority.
- Walcott is past it, and really hasn't been consistently up to the level for roughly 10 years now, outside of a good game or two now and then.
- The youngsters coming through that won't be good enough e.g. Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Holgate. Most likely you can chuck Lookman, Vlasic, Dowell, Browning and Baningime are in this bracket too, none of them have shown they will be proper world class in the future.
- There is so much other deadweight throughout the squad that needs to be cleared out e.g. Baines, Schneirderlin, Jagielka, Niasse, Stekelenburg, McCarthy.

One of the squad's best players currently (Gomes) is only on loan, and buying him will likely cost £30-35m. That wipes out half a (rather large) transfer budget in one fell swoop without improving the current squad at all.

Pretty much all of that needs to be done before you start binning off one of today's better players. After that, should Everton look to become a genuine challenger to Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal etc, they will then need to look at players like Gueye, Pickford, Keane, Bernard and Sigurdsson who would not be good enough to command spots in those aforementioned sides.

Even look at Gomes, Mina, Richarlison ... which of them would start at City or Liverpool today? As a neutral, my thoughts are:
- Sterling, Sane, Salah and Mane would start over Richarlison. Arguably he would be the next best option off the bench (ahead of guys like Mahrez, Jesus, Shaqiri, Sturridge)
- VVD, Laporte and Stones would start over Mina. Perhaps throw a blanket over Mina and Gomez, but Gomez is 3 or 4 years younger. He would get a start over Lovren, Matip, Kompany (due to age). Unsure with Otamendi, he sometimes looks shaky but is also in last year's EPL team of the season.
- Gomes would only have to compete with guys like Kevin De Bruyne, David Silva, Bernardo Silva, Fernandinho, Fabinho, Wijnaldum and £60m Naby Keita .... haha.

So that's the challenge. If Everton want to be the best, there's virtually a whole starting lineup and squad that needs replacing. Just think about what Manchester City can name as a Second XI, you see it's a side that would finish top-half in the Prem itself, and you can see the enormity of the challenge:
Danilo Kompany Otamendi Zinchenko
Delph Gundogan Foden
Mahrez Jesus B.Silva

Youre forgetting that selling players brings in fees.

Walcott + Bolasie + Onyekuru out would cover a new player like Lozano.

Sigurdsson, Vlasic and Dowell leaving could bring in Ndombele.

The same goes for Gana, him Besic and Schneiderlin leaving could cover the cost of Doucoure.


Its all down to Silva to work with Brands on the signings...