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2018/19 Idrissa Gueye

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ToffeeTim said:
He's very easily replaceable yes.

I've told you this plenty of times before. You don't try to play possession based football and play a player who's skills are all off the ball.
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Again, Gana wins the ball back and plays it off to others usually. He carries it a bit as well, but he's not giving it away or anything. So if Silva cared a lot about possession - he and Brands don't - they'd WANT Gana on their team.

I have no doubt that Brands and SIlva want better passers on the team - in general, we still have way too many poor decision makers with the ball, mostly sitting no the right side of the pitch - but I find it amusing that this easy to replace player is wanted by PSG.

Seriously, doesn't that give some of you any concern that MAYBE Gana is better than you think?
 
Walken said:
Center halves also normally lead certain passing stats, there is an argument to be made for his limited uses but you are making the wrong one by talking about pass completion
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It's one of several. I only use that when people make up this idea that he's always giving the ball away. He's not. Others have used stats to show that Gana does actually play the ball forward.
 
CRIMHEAD said:
It's one of several. I only use that when people make up this idea that he's always giving the ball away. He's not. Others have used stats to show that Gana does actually play the ball forward.
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he has very average technique on the ball, and this past month has given it away in dangerous situations. No one is in good form forever but to pretend he doesn't have weaknesses only weakens any argument you won't to make for him as you've come across as a bit too sycophantic towards him as a player to be taken serious as an objective observer. Granted that may be in response to posters of the opposite opinion but equally as dogmatic.

For me personally he has his uses but is limited and certainly been very overrated by our fanbase in general. I still hope he is fit for spurs
 
Walken said:
he has very average technique on the ball, and this past month has given it away in dangerous situations. No one is in good form forever but to pretend he doesn't have weaknesses only weakens any argument you won't to make for him as you've come across as a bit too sycophantic towards him as a player to be taken serious as an objective observer. Granted that may be in response to posters of the opposite opinion but equally as dogmatic.

For me personally he has his uses but is limited and certainly been very overrated by our fanbase in general. I still hope he is fit for spurs
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I've said he's limited going forward. I know he's okay at best supporting the attack. I'm only coming across that way because irrational posters say ridiculous things like "he's easily replaceable" or "McCarthy is better" or "we should take the 20M" or "he gives it away all over the pitch". He are legit crap when he isn't playing.
 
CRIMHEAD said:
Again, Gana wins the ball back and plays it off to others usually. He carries it a bit as well, but he's not giving it away or anything. So if Silva cared a lot about possession - he and Brands don't - they'd WANT Gana on their team.

I have no doubt that Brands and SIlva want better passers on the team - in general, we still have way too many poor decision makers with the ball, mostly sitting no the right side of the pitch - but I find it amusing that this easy to replace player is wanted by PSG.

Seriously, doesn't that give some of you any concern that MAYBE Gana is better than you think?
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Do you mean like when Real signed Gravesen? lol
 

Zero point in signing Barrios to replace Gana.


Spurs should welcome Barrios to the neighborhood because his ball winning skills are desperately needed.

Spurs are rumored to be in for Wilmar Barrios again. El Kante Colombiano wasn’t terribly impressive in the World Cup this past summer, although that’s not a great place to do analysis. His numbers for Boca Juniors suggest that two things about Barrios are clear: he’s not a very good passer and he’s very good at winning the ball back. This season, Barrios has a laughable (and well below his career average) passing percentage of 68.6%, which rounds up to a not very nice passing percentage. On the other hand, he’s at 6 tackles and interceptions per 90, an absurdly good number. The guy covers tons of ground:

https://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnati...-news-rumors-wilmar-barrios-analysis-tackling

And its not like there has even been any links anyway.
 
Zatara said:
Ive no idea what relevance that is to your comment about PSG wanting Gana inferring he must be amazing...

Gravesen went to Real, was he amazing too?
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It was about as relevant as the situation.

And frankly, Gravesen was decent, he wasn't crap for sure.

Gana is clearly good, though, or else PSG wouldn't be interested. You make it sound like he's replaceable with a middling player from Boca Juniors. At least you're consistently, I'll give you that. About as sensible as replacing Sigurdsson with Lookman.
 

MarcelsGoat said:
Zero point in signing Barrios to replace Gana.


Spurs should welcome Barrios to the neighborhood because his ball winning skills are desperately needed.

Spurs are rumored to be in for Wilmar Barrios again. El Kante Colombiano wasn’t terribly impressive in the World Cup this past summer, although that’s not a great place to do analysis. His numbers for Boca Juniors suggest that two things about Barrios are clear: he’s not a very good passer and he’s very good at winning the ball back. This season, Barrios has a laughable (and well below his career average) passing percentage of 68.6%, which rounds up to a not very nice passing percentage. On the other hand, he’s at 6 tackles and interceptions per 90, an absurdly good number. The guy covers tons of ground:

https://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnati...-news-rumors-wilmar-barrios-analysis-tackling

And its not like there has even been any links anyway.
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This is one of the lazier articles I've ever seen. It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't understand stats or are just plain lazy. It's small sample size. His career passing % is over 80% from the same site. Numbers for South American footy are also not consistent, but whatever.

Maybe if the article had seen him play or even did a bit more research, he'd realize this year he's played a different position with Columbia than he does with Boca. With Boca, he often plays more as a CM - saw it in the finals vs. River, with Columbia he's Carvalho. This idea that he covers a ton of ground is similar to the way Siggy does. Work rate is an important trait. But I'm not seeing a quick player, honestly. He's not lightning like Gana. His footskills are also better than they are giving him credit for.

Classic stupid blogger.
 
CRIMHEAD said:
Again, Gana wins the ball back and plays it off to others usually. He carries it a bit as well, but he's not giving it away or anything. So if Silva cared a lot about possession - he and Brands don't - they'd WANT Gana on their team.

I have no doubt that Brands and SIlva want better passers on the team - in general, we still have way too many poor decision makers with the ball, mostly sitting no the right side of the pitch - but I find it amusing that this easy to replace player is wanted by PSG.

Seriously, doesn't that give some of you any concern that MAYBE Gana is better than you think?
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No. He's just really average.

Take this for example. He won the tackling stats for September in a match AT HOME TO FULHAM.

If you think its good that we had a player winning the ball back off Fulham a record amount of times, then I don't think you understand what good football is.

If he could keep the ball better then his strengths would be redundant. And that's how Silva wants us to play. I don't think you quite grasp this.
 
ToffeeTim said:
No. He's just really average.

Take this for example. He won the tackling stats for September in a match AT HOME TO FULHAM.

If you think its good that we had a player winning the ball back off Fulham a record amount of times, then I don't think you understand what good football is.

If he could keep the ball better then his strengths would be redundant. And that's how Silva wants us to play. I don't think you quite grasp this.
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You mean the game after he had 10 tackles and 3 interceptions against Arsneal at the Emirates?

But fine, let's take that example. He also had 5 interceptions, he had 2 key passes - led the team, touched the ball more times than anyone else on the side, had an 88% pass completion ratio, and we won 3-0. Have you seen Fulham play? They are pretty good in possession - probably better than us, honestly - and only just stink at the back.

Now if you didn't like how we played as a team and I didn't either, how the HECK is that Gana's fault? He's paired with Tom Davies in midfield first of all. Second of all, you switch Gana out with Morgan Schneiderlin and we probably friggin lose because we can't get the ball away from them. You laugh, but against teams that can pass and move, we are CRAP without Gana. So it's not just that I think Gana is good, it's that we STINK without him.

But let's be clear what I'm saying - I would LOVE for us to have someone that maybe isn't quite as good on defense as Gana, but better at driving forward with the ball and supporting the offense. I've been crying for our Doucoure for years. But I don't want him to replace Gana, I want him to complement the current squad, maybe even replace Gomes if we can't sign him.
 

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