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davek said:
mentioned so far....

Phil Brown
Gary Monk
Tony Pulis
Neil Lennon
Harry Redknapp
Martin O'Neill
Steve McClaren
AVB
Klinsmann
Mancini


...and some fear 'regression' under Roberto.

*sigh*

Let's just agree to disagree about RM and crack on.
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Everyone would have laughed if we had replaced him with ranieri in the summer. The fans aren't laughing after shipping 7 at home to Leicester and Stoke.

I think you might be very disappointed when new owners sack him at the end of the season.

I would say it is probable that we will get new owners and they will sack him in the summer. More that just possible.
 
Groucho said:
I just do not think Lennon is good enough for us.




Short of a really really top, great manager if we become very rich very quickly, I can't see the benefit of replacing him with just another PL manager at this juncture.

It would disrupt the squad and potentially (probably perhaps) still be 6th - 11th. Martinez isn't going to be out saviour but he will keep us ticking over until (please God) this buyout happens, whoever it may be.

Replace him with a Mourinho or Pep, not Hughes or Pulis. That's not a dig at them btw.
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I'm not being confrontational here Groucho, but for me (and I think I echo the thoughts of many other Evertonians) Roberto is already our 'saviour'. The football we played the last couple of decades has been borderline shameful to me. I'd never feel ashamed of Everton, but the football was an embarrassment most of the time. We'd been consigned to the 'long ball' club category and forgotten about...and to be quite honest, I wouldn't have blamed neutrals switching off their tvs by the millions if we'd have been a live game on the telly. But now we play in our own traditions again. We're back with a bang as one of the best (probably the best) football teams in this league. He's done that far more quickly than I ever anticipated.

My first posts concerning RM when he arrived were that he'd face his biggest fight not on the pitch but off it. I knew that the culture had to be changed and that it'd be a mammoth battle given the direct approach that previous managers, especially Moyes, had adopted and which many of our support had been weaned upon. Sadly, that was bang on the money. He's struggled to win the PR war in the media where Moyes' old mates have had it in for him since the day he arrived and he's had to face down the element of our support who seem to think launching the ball quickly from the back is the right (Everton) way of doing things.

So whatever he does and whatever happens from this point on, at the very least Martinez has dragged this club back to its own traditions and struggled to change the culture of the club.
 

davek said:
I'm not being confrontational here Groucho, but for me (and I think I echo the thoughts of many other Evertonians) Roberto is already our 'saviour'. The football we played the last couple of decades has been borderline shameful to me. I'd never feel ashamed of Everton, but the football was an embarrassment most of the time. We'd been consigned to the 'long ball' club and forgotten about...and to be quite honest, I wouldn't have blamed neutrals switching off their tvs by the millions if we'd have been a live game on the telly. But now we play in our own traditions again. We're back with a bang as one of the best (probably the best) football teams in this league. He's done that far more quickly than I ever anticipated.

My first posts concerning RM when he arrived were that he'd face his biggest fight not on the pitch but off it. I knew that the culture had to be changed and that it'd be a mammoth battle given the direct approach that previous managers, especially Moyes, had adopted and which many of our support had been weaned upon. Sadly, that was bang on the money. He's struggled to win the PR war in the media where Moyes' old mates have had it in for him since the day he arrived and he's had to face down the element of our support who seem to think launching the ball quickly from the back is the right (Everton) way of doing things.

So whatever he does and whatever happens from this point on, at the very least Martinez has dragged this club back to its own traditions and struggled to change the culture of the club.
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He is taking us backwards and you seem happy with that.
Roll on new owners and the clown will be gone
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
One thing I will say, if Neil Lennon was our manager I'm pretty certain we'd finally win a derby

You need only to look at Scott Brown's eyes on Old Firm Day during Lennon's tenure to see why
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We wouldn't, because we'd regularly put out a team unable to play football to any acceptable level
 

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