If Moshiri wasn’t buying a new stadium would you turn on him like Peter Johnson?

[chicoazul]

Would it wrong to call Moshiri an Everton molester lads?

 

[Kev The Rat]

His next step will be to make himself manager

 

[larbert toffee]

Moshiri - but most fans wanted both of them so its very politician like to play the benefit of hindsight blame game.

If Moshiri left tomorrow you have no stadium and God knows what owner coming in who wouldn't put their hand in their pocket - see Mike Ashley/Arsenal/Spurs/Glazers/Saints/Burnley/West Ham/Palace/Leeds etc owners.

Be careful what some of you wish for.

What's the point in having money but having no clue whatsoever and being wrongly advised?
The only reason he's here is to build a new stadium and make shed loads of money from the commerce surround and infrastructure that will follow.
What's the point in welcoming a new stadium whilst we're in the championship?
Moshiri is taking us backwards and dividing the support but he'll hang around long enough to make a financial killing and then go on to another project caring not a jot where the club is in footballing terms.

 

[larbert toffee]

I’m confused. Why did Peter Johnson turn on Moshiri?

Probably cos it will make him look less of an ogre.

 

[twoblue]

The plan under Kenwright was to sell our best players each season and then give the manager less then half of the money we received from the transfer.

I can't believe people would rather have that then Moshiri, and I won't even go in to how many failed ground moves failed under his stewardship.

Yes this season is going to be difficult and it will be the first time under Moshiri where we haven't splashed the cash due to ffp.

? … Remembers when we had “best players”….

If his appointments had gone the right way, we would (should) be challenging. He has been absolutely turned over by his choice of DOF and their choice of manager. You cannot say he hasn't tried, he has backed us more than anyone previously. I find the dislike for him embarrassing and akin to a petulant child.

I don’t think that dof has chosen the managers. They have had the owners hand all over them. A dof doesn’t hire koeman, ancelotti, fat sam or benetez - those signings would all win any power struggle with a dof. Chances are brands knows he is being paid enough to put up with being undermined on decisions

 

[Kev The Rat]

? … Remembers when we had “best players”….

I don’t think that dof has chosen the managers. They have had the owners hand all over them. A dof doesn’t hire koeman, ancelotti, fat sam or benetez - those signings would all win any power struggle with a dof. Chances are brands knows he is being paid enough to put up with being undermined on decisions

Probably doesnt even voice his opinions as he knows Moshiri has his own which will win.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

? … Remembers when we had “best players”….

I don’t think that dof has chosen the managers. They have had the owners hand all over them. A dof doesn’t hire koeman, ancelotti, fat sam or benetez - those signings would all win any power struggle with a dof. Chances are brands knows he is being paid enough to put up with being undermined on decisions

Ancelloti and to a lesser extent, koeman were big appointments that showed intent, both failed but not mosh fault
James Rodrigues similarly, showed intent and failed.

 

[Ihaters]

It’s not the money, I’m great full of that. But the haphazard fashionway the club is being run has left us in danger.
1. We have not signed a single player that has been a genuine success in terms of producing the goods or resale value.
2. we haven’t had a manger that has managed two full seasons.
3. Each manager has been the opposite of the previous, so we have had no defined style of play.
4. Failure and over Spending is now putting us at risk of ffp.
5. We are performing worse then we did under bill kenwright - who had less money.
6. The squad looks more unbalanced now then when he took over.
So while I’m grateful for the ambition and spending under mosh, the delivery has been a massive failure. Chasing big names - rooney, ancelotti, James - rather than looking at what the team wants and needs

Not his responsibility to decide what the team wants and needs, that's the managers role.
His role is to appoint a manager and back him... Which he's done.

Hindsight has 20/20 vision but I know I couldn't if asked for more than the start of last season from our chairman.

A truly World class player with several years of play left in him joined by Allan and Daccoure under a world class manager, but apparently that's not to his credit.... Instead that's somehow his fault? Something to blame him for?

The squads balance, the names bought in, our performances... None of that is the chairman's doing, its down to the managers and whilst past predictions are easy with hindsight... X would have done better...
The future is far more difficult to guess, so he has to take his advisors advice and bring in what he can and back them which for me is something he's clearly done.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Does he do hampers?

 

[fandjango]

But he IS buying a new stadium and that’s enough until it’s finished

 

[twoblue]

Not his responsibility to decide what the team wants and needs, that's the managers role.
His role is to appoint a manager and back him... Which he's done.

Hindsight has 20/20 vision but I know I couldn't if asked for more than the start of last season from our chairman.

A truly World class player with several years of play left in him joined by Allan and Daccoure under a world class manager, but apparently that's not to his credit.... Instead that's somehow his fault? Something to blame him for?

The squads balance, the names bought in, our performances... None of that is the chairman's doing, its down to the managers and whilst past predictions are easy with hindsight... X would have done better...
The future is far more difficult to guess, so he has to take his advisors advice and bring in what he can and back them which for me is something he's clearly done.

His dof should come up with the blueprint, he signs off the blueprint, the dof then carries out the blueprint.

if you can explain what you think our plan is I am all ears

 

[Toffeeslam]

I know……let’s go back to not having a pot to piss in….we were never a laughing stock then.

short memories round here

 

[Ihaters]

His dof should come up with the blueprint, he signs off the blueprint, the dof then carries out the blueprint.

if you can explain what you think our plan is I am all ears

Build a stadium, back the team financially, hire a manager.
That's Moshs blueprint and he's ticked each box.
DOF and manager should make the rest of the blueprint from the football and financial aspects based on the managers requirements and within the FFP constraints.
He's not an employee, he's the owner, a good one that knows his limitations, and as such he hires managers and directors to provide management and direction.

If we fail to be managed well or lack direction, how is that on the owner rather than his management team paid to provide exactly that expertise?

 

[The binman chronicles]

He's put us front and centre of this city by having our offices in the liver building and a stadium on the waterfront, or we could have had a portacabin hidden out the way in Kirkby. What more could he have done? He's backed the team, tried to get us the manager we wanted (Carlo). If he pulls the plug and leaves us massively in debt then he would be the owner some people think he is.

Money does not = success, players have to want to come here and without Europe that means paying over the odds and that means they are typical mercenaries who we then can't shift. We might have learnt our lesson by not having the fair play headroom so we have to incrementally improve to reach our goals, not trying to skip parts A/B and C to jump over the building up process.

 

[twoblue]

Build a stadium, back the team financially, hire a manager.
That's Moshs blueprint and he's ticked each box.
DOF and manager should make the rest of the blueprint from the football and financial aspects based on the managers requirements and within the FFP constraints.
He's not an employee, he's the owner, a good one that knows his limitations, and as such he hires managers and directors to provide management and direction.

If we fail to be managed well or lack direction, how is that on the owner rather than his management team paid to provide exactly that expertise?

I am not being overly critical of him because he has done all of the above. But the blueprint needs to be more than that.
You can see Leicester’s, you can see Southampton’s, even villa.
When hiring a manager he needs to saying what he wants to achieve and the director of football needs to be policing an overriding policy. This is what has been missing