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In all seriousness, this derby record: WTF are we going to do about it?
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10 years of David Moyes is pretty built into our DNA now.
Martinez tried changing it (especially the 1st season) but failed.
Now it's back to square one.
In answer to the question, we've never had any real winners and still have a core of senior players who are known bottlers.
The minute they go, we get mix of battlers and quality that have no attachments to the city then it'll change.
Martinez tried changing it (especially the 1st season) but failed.
Now it's back to square one.
In answer to the question, we've never had any real winners and still have a core of senior players who are known bottlers.
The minute they go, we get mix of battlers and quality that have no attachments to the city then it'll change.
Frang
Player Valuation: £70m
dave just accept we are mentally weaker and move on.
its for the best!
**breaks out into EVVVV ERRRRR TONNNNN song
..there’s a status quo in this city. The Reds look down on the Blues. As somebody more articulate than me said yesterday, it’s not like we are three leagues below them but we still can’t beat them.
I keep saying that Moshiri’s key objective should be turning over the status quo in this city. If we do that we’ll be on our way.
I keep saying that Moshiri’s key objective should be turning over the status quo in this city. If we do that we’ll be on our way.
billyblue80
Player Valuation: £70m
It's a mentality thing yesterday was a decent performance we just lacked cutting edge on occasion and dropped a rick. Apart from that it was as even as I've seen at their place for a long time.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I cant and wont ever accept that.
That is a mentality that good organisation and good coaching bulldozes through.
We were suffering a resource imbalance in the 90s when Royle had that lot petrified going into Derbies. We need character and quality on the pitch, and supporters need to throw off a terrible complex that's being largely self-applied. They dread the derby. I dont. I'd have ten a season to get the chance of kicking that lot in the balls. That's the type of thinking we need: embrace the derby.
But you thought we’d have beat them if we got them back to Goodison. So you were five minutes away from being proud? A fluke corner goal away from being proud, but cos Jordan made a mistake everything gets chucked in the bin
Frang
Player Valuation: £70m
weve had neither for a long time, but I do believe we are changing things in this department. it wont happen over night tho
it all stems from the top. unfortunately you already know what that means..
Need Keane types...simple as that. Holgate's been showing signs for a while.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
It takes a club hierarchy to transmit that: dont let that lot get away, for instance, with presenting themselves as city representatives as they do a lot of the time. Yes, a stadium at BMD would be welcome in that respect, but every claim they make as being premier club here in the city needs an answer to it.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
If we had it'd have been against the grain of that match where we were second best and hoping against hope to hang on.
If we'd have forced the replay I reckon Klopp would have seen it as practically gone. He has other matters to attend to in the PL and CL.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I cant see that change.
I agree the record in derbies is shocking but I did feel they showed more bottle yesterday and did not look afraid of them but the bottom line is you can't go into a season with no recognised strikers.
Who's fault that was I don't know was it Keoman, was it Walsh or was it Moshiri? the only thing you can be certain of it certainly isn't Allerdyce fault let's get behind him and see what he can do what other choice have we got?
Who's fault that was I don't know was it Keoman, was it Walsh or was it Moshiri? the only thing you can be certain of it certainly isn't Allerdyce fault let's get behind him and see what he can do what other choice have we got?
Gladystweet
Player Valuation: £50m
I agree. But I also think it goes much deeper. One thing I will say about those whoppers, is that they refuse to accept defeat, often acting like spoilt brats, but never lie down for us. We expect to get beat, it runs from the very top, through the players, and down to the fans.
It's got so bad, that not only do we expect to get beat, but worry by how many. Even hoping some arctic blizzard will help us.
As you correctly say, we're in the same league, but once the players cross that line, they're waiting for the inevitable.
No idea how we're going to turn it round like. The only time we seem to beat them is when we're at our very best, and they're having a stinker. It's defo a mental block in my honest opinion.
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