Is Europe a Shout Next Season

[The Binman]

No

 

[twoblue]

No but we might survive again comfortably

 

[Toffeepot]

There are positives to be found within this season though without being silly about it.

it's those positives are making us silly
it's a 'come into the light' scenario lol

 

[allen]

Let's not raise expectations too high.

10-11th would represent plenty of decent progress.

 

[PSB1]

Already ruin most weekends. Why spoil midweek as well?

 

[Exeter_Gently]

No..another tough season awaits.

 

[Delargeinho]

He doesn't use attacking full backs in the Prem and always goes after defend first ones.

Important point is "in the Prem", however - Trippier was assisting for fun in the Championship but reverted to 3 assists in 38 games in the Prem every single time. Don't think it's some wacky coincidence.

Looking up never found a full back in the top 3 assister in Dyche's time at Burnley in prem. Expected that a bit to be fair, expect one of that was a set piece taker.

Trippier, obviously cannot be compared to do it in the 2 different levels . He wasn't really a high assister under Poch either, but played around 25 games most of the seasons, in this case 4-6 assists are a good output. I remember Spurs being quite attacking then???

Same at Atletico, where full back mostly contributes a few assists under Simeone, especially until like 2-3y ago.

Eddie Howe known also for playing quite attacking since Bmouth. I know he makes also the majority of set pieces at Newcastle when fit now as well and is one of the best taker in the league that adds to it.

 

[mikel_88]

Just want us clear of going down but would be really hapoy if he got us between 10-14 th, just about getting the cash and giving us time to build a team

 

[DualityNSNO]

Looking up never found a full back in the top 3 assister in Dyche's time at Burnley in prem. Expected that a bit to be fair, expect one of that was a set piece taker.

Trippier, obviously cannot be compared to do it in the 2 different levels . He wasn't really a high assister under Poch either, but played around 25 games most of the seasons, in this case 4-6 assists are a good output. I remember Spurs being quite attacking then???

Same at Atletico, where full back mostly contributes a few assists under Simeone, especially until like 2-3y ago.

Eddie Howe known also for playing quite attacking since Bmouth. I know he makes also the majority of set pieces at Newcastle when fit now as well and is one of the best taker in the league that adds to it.

I get that but he's usually given as this "Dyche found the best attacking full back" example - but he's not done a lot with him at a higher level. He's gone to other teams and looked instantly much better and much more attacking too.

I get the flat 4 approach too, it's not usually pretty but it works - Mourinho was/is famous for it too, but you need to have forward play to compensate and we don't, that's the issue really.

 

[Delargeinho]

I get that but he's usually given as this "Dyche found the best attacking full back" example - but he's not done a lot with him at a higher level. He's gone to other teams and looked instantly much better and much more attacking too.

I get the flat 4 approach too, it's not usually pretty but it works - Mourinho was/is famous for it too, but you need to have forward play to compensate and we don't, that's the issue really.

To be fair, I understand Godfrey to play RB for example in games like Rs where defending is more needed than the attack for full back, but also wish to play a bit more attacking against teams like Sheffield or Luton with Patterson, when they are available. Yes, Dyche sides will always rather be top 5 defense than attack.

I think tactical reasons, but also the fact of the better teams, and Newcastle, Atletico, and Spurs are way superior of a premier league Burnley. Defo helps full backs also to contribute more, to upgrade from Danny Ings to Suarez or Kane that are top 10 striker in the world.

Looked up, Howe's Bournemouth FB were also around these 3-4 at max.

 

[Frenk]

Whoa, steady on fella.

 

[Cels]

A marvellous up turn in form since the humiliation at Chelsea, if Dyche can get “his” players, and bypass the DoF who has wasted tens of millions, is it a possibility???

Could the gaffer lead us back to a nice European tour in the same year we take residence in our new home

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[DualityNSNO]

To be fair, I understand Godfrey to play RB for example in games like Rs where defending is more needed than the attack for full back, but also wish to play a bit more attacking against teams like Sheffield or Luton with Patterson, when they are available. Yes, Dyche sides will always rather be top 5 defense than attack.

I think tactical reasons, but also the fact of the better teams, and Newcastle, Atletico, and Spurs are way superior of a premier league Burnley. Defo helps full backs also to contribute more, to upgrade from Danny Ings to Suarez or Kane that are top 10 striker in the world.

Looked up, Howe's Bournemouth FB were also around these 3-4 at max.

They are/were but they still looked and played differently and offered overlaps, whereas ours don't. EDIT: As further proof - Coleman's top assists during his entire career was 5, but he's always been known as an attacking full back. Bizarrely you'd assume in a Dyche team they'd offer early crosses at least but they don't, they tuck inside a bit to prevent counters even further.

Again, not a bad thing, but if that's the case we need to do more with the wingers - in some games it's okay when they double the full backs, but we can't be doing this constantly. A fix would be an actual ball player behind the striker so that the two centre mids can cover a bit more, but for this season it's Doucoure and long ball or bust - I want to see us improve on that and not rely on random chaos from the knocked down long ball. You can still play direct there if you want, I'm more than fine with it, but have an idea/plan that's clearly been worked on; we occasionally show we have some training ground forward play but it's bizarre as whoever the striker is goes out wide past the left/right centre back to receive the ball and lay it back for a quick cross - it's a decent plan, but when the striker does it, the cross is to no one in particular, stuff like this.

 

[twoblue]

Let's not raise expectations too high.

10-11th would represent plenty of decent progress.

That’s huge imo. I would take 2/3 points than this season

 

[BNJ1878]

Definitely not. We've avoided relegation, you don't get into Europe for that.

Next season will probably just as hard as slog as this one, losing one, possibly two first team players and replacing them with Bosmans. The saving grace will be the teams coming up are pretty poor, whoever they turn out to be.

Ownership needs sorting asap and hopefully the debt refinanced to give us a bit more ready cash.