Is Football Racist ?

[EFCNIK]

End of the day football is a business. I don't think a business would want to lose out on making money (if a good black player came through) by not letting him play just because of his skin colour. I think everyones moved on. I think the only ethnicity that may have a case in this is asians as there is literally none coming through in english football, and having played with a fair few growing up there are a LOT that can play and 1 guy I knew in particular who we all thought should at least be given a chance and he wasn't. Having said that the documentary that covered that all asian team made a point of saying how good it was that the team was '100% asian'. Why? Why does it matter? If someone had said how good it was that a team was 100% white, well we all know what would happen. The only way to move forward is for young players to intergrate more and not have this segrgation between races, because there is segregation, and no its not all white peoples fault. If you get young lads that grow up playing with eachother, from all different races and backgrounds then surely they'd all get looked at and some would possibly come through together.

As for coaches, I really don't know. Maybe there is something there allthough I'd be surprised. Again the thought of hating someone because of there skin colour is utterly ridiculous to me. That's why I have some of the views that I have, I.e no one is immune from critism and one rule for one person goes for another no matter where they come from. Everyone should be treated the same, and maybe on a coaching level black people arnt being given a level playing field. Hopefully we'll see some progression on the coaching level, but all this talk about introducing 'quotas' is quite simply barmy and borderline racist in itself.

Just my opinion dudes. I watched the re run on. Was an ok watch, just quite a bit of stuff I didn't agree with.

 

[Summerskin]

I don't like the blacks.

ffs NIK!

 

[harryjam]

This is very simplistic but here I go anyway. In my opinion there were very few black players around 20 years ago, and most managers are ex players. I think in 10 years time or so we'll have a lot more black managers. Very simplistic but I'm hanging here.

 

[Blue 1]

This is very simplistic but here I go anyway. In my opinion there were very few black players around 20 years ago, and most managers are ex players. I think in 10 years time or so we'll have a lot more black managers. Very simplistic but I'm hanging here.

20 years ago was only 1992 mate. There were lots. 30 years ago maybe.

Football isn't racist. It's a game. There are some racist people involved in the game.

 

[Philw]

Out of the thousands of professional football players in England 25% are black, whilst there's much less than 1% who manage.

Forget Barnes...he was one of the few annointed one's who got a fair shake and blew it. He should not be used as the yardstick. There's a clear cultural problem with seeing black players in positions of authority. You just cant draw any other conclusion from the stats.

Where are the stats on the number of black players who have tried to get into management and failed? Are there less than 1% black managers because only 1 in 25 black players attempt to get into management afterwards?? Why is there a clear cultural problem? Does it apply only to black players or all blacks? Only males? What about Hope Powell?

End of the day football is a business. I don't think a business would want to lose out on making money (if a good black player came through) by not letting him play just because of his skin colour. I think everyones moved on. I think the only ethnicity that may have a case in this is asians as there is literally none coming through in english football, and having played with a fair few growing up there are a LOT that can play and 1 guy I knew in particular who we all thought should at least be given a chance and he wasn't. Having said that the documentary that covered that all asian team made a point of saying how good it was that the team was '100% asian'. Why? Why does it matter? If someone had said how good it was that a team was 100% white, well we all know what would happen. The only way to move forward is for young players to intergrate more and not have this segrgation between races, because there is segregation, and no its not all white peoples fault. If you get young lads that grow up playing with eachother, from all different races and backgrounds then surely they'd all get looked at and some would possibly come through together.

As for coaches, I really don't know. Maybe there is something there allthough I'd be surprised. Again the thought of hating someone because of there skin colour is utterly ridiculous to me. That's why I have some of the views that I have, I.e no one is immune from critism and one rule for one person goes for another no matter where they come from. Everyone should be treated the same, and maybe on a coaching level black people arnt being given a level playing field. Hopefully we'll see some progression on the coaching level, but all this talk about introducing 'quotas' is quite simply barmy and borderline racist in itself.

Just my opinion dudes. I watched the re run on. Was an ok watch, just quite a bit of stuff I didn't agree with.

Haven't watched the program, and sounds like it is not worth it, btu agree with several points here. But mainly I actually think people need stop going on about it so much. I believe all the fuss and furore makes the situation worse and creates a divide between people. If the few issues that did arise were dealt with fairly but with out the massive media circus etc it would help a lot more than the way things occur currently. Basically I think if you talk about certain division amongst people, all you do is propogate that divsion.

 

[davek]

Where are the stats on the number of black players who have tried to get into management and failed? Are there less than 1% black managers because only 1 in 25 black players attempt to get into management afterwards?? Why is there a clear cultural problem? Does it apply only to black players or all blacks? Only males? What about Hope Powell?

I dont have the breakdown, and the devil is bound to be in the detail, I grant you that. But the figures just dont stack up for black people in positions of authority in a sport they have a very strong presence in (onfield). It just doesn't compute that there's about 600 black players in all divisions and roughly 5 or 6 black managers.

There are definite barriers to management somewhere in the process. We cant assume that black ex-players dont apply and leave it at that. We know that many black players are given code character traits such as 'lazy' (we saw that at Everton with Yakubu, btw), or having a bad attitude. It also must have some bearing on who gets jobs when you considwer who own the clubs and how many black people those owners in their core business activity employ in top jobs. I bet it's not too many, and that attitude is carried over into employing club managers. There's a lot of stereotyping that's hard to shift in football, not all of it inherent to the game but imported from the wider world outside of it.

Bottom line for me: it's pointless arguing that black ex-players aren't facing a struggle to get managerial jobs. It's happening and the only debate to be had is to explain why it happens.

 

[The Size Of A Cow]

No. You are not. Sport is the absolute in meritocracy. The best win. The best succeed.

FFS, I will lay a bet that the 100m final in London is 8 black guys. COS THEY ARE THE BEST.

Nothing to do with colour, all to do with talent.

I will also lay a bet that the best Gymnasts come from China. Racist? Do me a frigging favour.

I may be interested in taking such a bet. What odds will you lay?

 

[EFCNIK]

Yakubu was called lazy because he was lazy, not coz he was black.

A similar thing is said about Berbatov.

Anichebe is said to have a bad attitude because he has a bad attitude.

A similar thing is said about Joey Barton.

This country is obssessed with it and is beggining to see things that arn't there. Black people shouldnt be immune to critisism just because they are black, and that goes for any race.

 

[Kurt.]

I may be interested in taking such a bet. What odds will you lay?

i would take that bet too, at any price..

 

[Philw]

I dont have the breakdown, and the devil is bound to be in the detail, I grant you that. But the figures just dont stack up for black people in positions of authority in a sport they have a very strong presence in (onfield). It just doesn't compute that there's about 600 black players in all divisions and roughly 5 or 6 black managers.

There are definite barriers to management somewhere in the process. We cant assume that black ex-players dont apply and leave it at that. We know that many black players are given code character traits such as 'lazy' (we saw that at Everton with Yakubu, btw), or having a bad attitude. It also must have some bearing on who gets jobs when you considwer who own the clubs and how many black people those owners in their core business activity employ in top jobs. I bet it's not too many, and that attitude is carried over into employing club managers. There's a lot of stereotyping that's hard to shift in football, not all of it inherent to the game but imported from the wider world outside of it.

Bottom line for me: it's pointless arguing that black ex-players aren't facing a struggle to get managerial jobs. It's happening and the only debate to be had is to explain why it happens.

Re: Yak - People also are calling Berbatov lazy in his thread, I don't believe that has anything to do with race, that's just Yak. As for the management issue, it is strange, but without facts or figures we can't say one way or the other. I think the numbers are going to gradually increase, in a similar way to how we see all these (ex-)players getting their UEFA licenses nowadays, when before people would hire pretty much any old ex-player. Then gradually it has become the norm for everyone to have the badges. The main thing I think may contribute to what you're talking about is the 'old boys club/network' way the upper echelons of football seem to work. I think this is penalising black people, women, other minorites etc, not through any purposeful or active racism, but just because those people look within their own groups of friends/acquaintances/peer groups, which is made up of people like them. As more minorites generally work their way up the ladder this will also help to break down and widden those groups, so helping the slow grwoth of black managers in the game.

 

[davek]

Yakubu was called lazy because he was lazy, not coz he was black.

A similar thing is said about Berbatov.

Anichebe is said to have a bad attitude because he has a bad attitude.

A similar thing is said about Joey Barton.

This country is obssessed with it and is beggining to see things that arn't there. Black people shouldnt be immune to critisism just because they are black, and that goes for any race.

Being lazy and having a poor attitude are two of the desciptions applied as a matter of course to most black players who lose their way. They might well be applied to a few errant white players, but they're not descriptions reached for generally as a way of explaining why white players have poor form.

 

[Deloodid]

How many Asian managers or coaches have u seen??? if the blacks think there hard done by the asians must be fumin.

 

[davek]

Re: Yak - People also are calling Berbatov lazy in his thread, I don't believe that has anything to do with race, that's just Yak. As for the management issue, it is strange, but without facts or figures we can't say one way or the other. I think the numbers are going to gradually increase, in a similar way to how we see all these (ex-)players getting their UEFA licenses nowadays, when before people would hire pretty much any old ex-player. Then gradually it has become the norm for everyone to have the badges. The main thing I think may contribute to what you're talking about is the 'old boys club/network' way the upper echelons of football seem to work. I think this is penalising black people, women, other minorites etc, not through any purposeful or active racism, but just because those people look within their own groups of friends/acquaintances/peer groups, which is made up of people like them. As more minorites generally work their way up the ladder this will also help to break down and widden those groups, so helping the slow grwoth of black managers in the game.

I think it probably will improve, but only after a song and dance is made of the issue. I think that's how there's been more of an influx of black ex-players into American Football and baseball management in recent times.

The squeekiest wheels get the grease, as they say.

 

[EFCNIK]

How many Asian managers or coaches have u seen??? if the blacks think there hard done by the asians must be fumin.

I think this is the only thing that needs looking at. Plenty of oppertunities for black players, in fact they are generally seen as the better athletes.

Asians are the ones that are hard done by imo, as there HAS to be some that can really play but arn't given an oppertunity, but imo a lot of them are so unwilling to intergrate and are more than happy playing for 'asians only' football teams at sunday league level. It's a cultural thing rather than a matter of colour of skin. And I dont think, on the whole, that its the big nasty white man thats to blame.

Mentioned in a previous post about a lad I used to play with who was EXTREMELY good and we all thought he would make it but was never really given a chance. Not given a chance or just never really went for it, I dont know.

 

[Deloodid]

Last year BBC3 said, is Football Homophobic
This year BBC3 said, is Football Racist
Next year BBC3 Say, is Football Sexiest

Fook off BBC3 and stick to 2 pints a lager and a packet of crisp.