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Is Messi the greatest player ever?

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Maradona pulled a very average Napoli single handed to the title Serie A.

He then took Argentina to the World Cup with a string of stunning displays.

Platini was good, but not near Maradona.
I never said that Platini was as good as Maradona. I do contend that He is at least on a par with Zidane and the points people tend to designate for trophies won would be different if Platini had more luck with the team he led, or Zidane had been unlucky with team mates.
 
Ok, let's forget the violent nature of the game from those days. Let's forget how Ratcliffe got away from getting booked in those days, nevermind a red card.

Can Messi run a game without making a single dribble? Maradona could do that and so could Zidane.

Now, let's imagine that Pelé was peruvian and that people wouldn't know of him; he didn't win anything.... Do you guys know who the **** was Zico? He's a brazilian legend that could not win a World Cup. Would he be up there with the big boys? Definitely. He didn't get a World Cup medal and only came to Europe in his thirties (still is a legend at Udinese) so people leave him out of the top ten of all time. This means that winning does matter.

Just for the record: would Santos be the team it was without Pelé? Would Brazil win 3 World Cups without Pelé?

Could Barcelona be the team it is without Messi? Probably not. But Barcelona could not be the same team without Xavi and Iniesta aswell. Btw, Iniesta got injured and Barcelona droped points in his absence.
Sorry but to my mind the best player in the world is the player who best plays football. not the one who's great but also lucky enough to be in a competitive team. Obviously we can only judge on what we see and half the time what we hear and read. It's quite plausible that in the 50s there were players who were better than Pele, Di Stefano and company. But maybe they played for a second rate country and chose to stay at a second rate club team. So now we have to include luck and ambition as factors.
I know who Zico is/was, but I get your point. However I don't think winning is that clear a measuring stick. Although I can see that most people do.
 
Maradona pulled a very average Napoli single handed to the title Serie A.

He then took Argentina to the World Cup with a string of stunning displays.

Platini was good, but not near Maradona.
The idea that Napoli was 'a very average team' is now part of Maradona's legend. They may not have been all time greats but they were far from average. The same goes for the Argentina team in 86
 
George Best didn't win anything with Northern Ireland nor did Cruyff with Holland. It doesn't matter that Messi hasn't won anything internationally and it doesn't matter that he plays in better teams than Maradona.

The best player of all time should be the one who is best at football, nothing else.
 
I don't know if he's the best and to be honest I don't care, but he is the most consistantly brilliant player I've ever seen. As Guardiola said ''Don't write about him. Don't try to describe him. Watch him.
 

Maradona was a better player than Messi. Whether I'll still think that at the end of Messi's career is a different thing.
I'll repeat, I still think that Maradona was more complete. He had more imagination and would surprise you with what he did aswell as how he did it. Ronaldinho was similar in that respect for a glorious couple of years. Messi only surprises me with how he does it. You basically know what he's going to do. I also think Messi is a better finisher and as I said earlier, more consistantly boss.
 
Top goalscorer ever for Barcelona now.

He's scored 8 hat-tricks this season. That tells me more about the quality of the opposition than it does about his skill, though.
 
Top goalscorer ever for Barcelona now.

He's scored 8 hat-tricks this season. That tells me more about the quality of the opposition than it does about his skill, though.
You could say the same about Dixie Dean and Pele too. Doesn't change the fact that they were the only ones to do what they have done. It was easier to score goals in 1928 but nobody else scored 60 goals.
 

Jamo,

Winning brings light to the achievements of a player.

Messi is the best player in the World, right now and for the times ahead. I don't question it. But you can't deny that playing with Xavi and Iniesta helps him a lot. Playing in Barcelona means that he will have more time on the ball than any other great player in the world. He's part of a well oiled machine and that helps him being as good as he is.

Maradona never played in such organization. Messi doesn't carry the weight of Barcelona on his shoulders, but Maradona did most of his time wether it was with the argentines or with Napoli.

And again, spanish football is a lot different from Maradona's days. It was tougher and uglier. It was harder for a player to fly over his opponents the way Messi does. Have in mind your beloved Athletic and how different they are from those days. They play football now more than they wrestle, the way they used to do.
 

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