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Is there a level of corruption in the league right now?

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Lanolin said:
I don't know what you're talking about here to be honest, you seem to have gone off on a weird tangent. People getting booked for offside?! And who said I don't believe there's corruption in football?! Of course there is. I just don't believe that the corruption involves referees being bribed to give penalties.
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Which weird tangent?

We are discussing corruption in football and whether or not refereeing decisions are open to corruption no? I assumed that this would include offsides, or any kind of potentially contentious decisions (penalties, offsides, fouls etc,) that a ref may have to make.

By bookable in that context I just meant, unlawful.

If you check my first response to your very own post, you'll see that I too also stated that I don't believe it is a case of outright bribes. So yes if you believe that there is indeed corruption occuring in the premiership then we are in complete agreement.
 
Nope. No corruption involving referees, just incompetence. Corruption is the wrong word for another disease seen on a regular basis in the absence of crowds, and that is cheating by players. Never have we seen so many faked injuries following fouls, accompanied by angry shouts from club officials using microphones to intimidate referees. Referee corruption is a myth and nonsense in this country at least.
 
No. The FA, EPL and PGMOL are far too incompetent to run the game properly day to day, let alone manage a decades long conspiracy.
 
There is definite incompetence from Refs and VAR. I do think some decisions are definitely weighted in the so called top 6's favour as well, be it subconciously or not. The Prem will have hated the seasons when City and the rs ran away with it. Expect City to start falling foul of a few bad decisions starting sunday to see it 'even out'

The City vs Us game being postponed was/is dodgy as hell.
 

Curtis said:
Is there a systematic bias that favors the sky six? I believe so but at the same time it's not a sinister cabal run by a bond Villians type with a cat deliberating on who wins. I see as more subtle and latent just baked in the game itself. I honestly don't think they're is a conscious effort to disenfranchise the rest of the league. Its just more likely for a ref to side with a team of prestige due to ingrained recognition. At least that's my outlook
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You are a lovely person .
 
Wolf8312 said:
Which weird tangent?

We are discussing corruption in football and whether or not refereeing decisions are open to corruption no? I assumed that this would include offsides, or any kind of potentially contentious decisions (penalties, offsides, fouls etc,) that a ref may have to make.

By bookable in that context I just meant, unlawful.

If you check my first response to your very own post, you'll see that I too also stated that I don't believe it is a case of outright bribes. So yes if you believe that there is indeed corruption occuring in the premiership then we are in complete agreement.
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Well the whole thing just seemed to be a weird tangent really. From you using the word bookable to mean something other than its widely established meaning, to you talking about offside in a conversation about subjective calls, to you saying you were only talking about calls that absolutely everybody in the world agreed were wrong (which are extremely rare and have already been addressed anyway) to you plucking the idea that i 'refuse to accept' the idea of corruption, despite me never having suggested anything of the sort. All in all it just seemed a very bizarre response. But yeah, it appears we're in agreement about refs just making errors rather than being bribed.
 
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So weird that this has happened after my comments in the last day or so.

Hes using the same excuse as Kolo Toure, who got away with it... didn’t he?
 

Lanolin said:
Well the whole thing just seemed to be a weird tangent really. From you using the word bookable to mean something other than its widely established meaning, to you talking about offside in a conversation about subjective calls, to you saying you were only talking about calls that absolutely everybody in the world agreed were wrong (which are extremely rare and have already been addressed anyway) to you plucking the idea that i 'refuse to accept' the idea of corruption, despite me never having suggested anything of the sort. All in all it just seemed a very bizarre response. But yeah, it appears we're in agreement about refs just making errors rather than being bribed.
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With respect this debate started when orginally I responded to your post where you had stated:

That's why when people say 'yeah but look at this thing that happened in another game where a different decision was reached' it's pointless, because it will always be a subjective call.
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I pointed out that such decisions are not always subjective, after which in the next post you stated that by always you "meant always as in 'it will never change'.

But mate how was I honestly to have known that by saying it would "always be a subjective call" in one instance that you actually meant always as in it will never change? I could make my own argument for weirdness!

Another thing is that although I was replying to your post, I was also just expressing opinions about the topic in general not purposefully designing each point as a means of attacking you personally.

I agree I maybe wrongly assumed you were arguing no corruption exists in football, but then that was just the impression I got and still do to some extent.

In the context of this argument, I think whereas I tend to believe in corruption more, you yourself believe it is incompetence or just difficult working conditions and are more willing to give refs the benefit of the doubt? Correct me if I am wrong of course.

I should also point out though that I'm not blaming the refs as much as I am the system that is now in place. I just wonder about the suits sitting in the control room at the other end of those microphones to be honest!
 
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