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Is This the Worst Period in Our History

Only if you're calling the new European micky mouse league a relevant competition, rather than means to stretch and hold back any teams threatening the top cabal of their home league.

I think it's a valid competition Chris. It's certainly no less valid than a team finishing 5th and playing in the so-called Champions League.

It's not like it's the Charity Shield or Super Cup. It's a slog to win the thing. there's also the reward of Europa if you can win it, which in turn can get you CL.

It's obviously the least prestigious, but it's a valid competition for me, as much as any other anyway, and one I'd hope we would take seriously, but in a sensible manner.
 
After we lost Martinez, Lukaku, Barkley etc - just as we had assembled a competent team that scored and defended somewhat better - this all went to [Poor language removed] of course - I fell out of love with the club, we appointed Koeman who I already hated and signed a load of players for ridiculous fees and overinflated contracts like he who shall not be named, I realised footy was no longer a source of enjoyment or pleasure. So I’d say around that time I decided to check out mentally, I have no problem with us winning or losing anymore I simply don’t care cos the mental pressure of relying on a team of millionaires is a notional embarrassment.
Roberto was a breath of fresh air - but we could not defend much particularly with an ageing Tim Howard - but the football in phases was very good ....
 
I think it's a valid competition Chris. It's certainly no less valid than a team finishing 5th and playing in the so-called Champions League.

It's not like it's the Charity Shield or Super Cup. It's a slog to win the thing. there's also the reward of Europa if you can win it, which in turn can get you CL.

It's obviously the least prestigious, but it's a valid competition for me, as much as any other anyway, and one I'd hope we would take seriously, but in a sensible manner.
This really, it's not the biggest pot there is but it's a pot at least and it gets you in the better tier/higher up, etc.

Absolutely no reason to discredit it at all imo, you should be in this game to win trophies, whatever they are, and this is a decent one to start with.
 
It's a real chore to go the game. And has been for a few years. Not sure how much more of it i can stomach tbh.
Mate I have to be honest my late father a born blue - stated to me son we are not going until that Manager alters things it's depressing - his famous saying was we could have been there till midnight & not seen a goal from us -
Totally different times, of course season ticket holders were a minority for normal games, & you could vote with your feet by staying away - not like now - I hope to get to BMD if I can get tickets just for one game as health wise - It's a chore watching them on a waterfall if that's any comfort I have followed the blues my first away game was aged 6 years old - it's in our blood things can only get better my late father watched us in the old Division 2- we don't want to drop there now the championship ....
 
My dad was born in 1948 and a teenager in the 60's. Then in his late thirties for the 80's, the spawny bugger saw us win everything in sight.

I grew up on the Latch, Dave Thomas, Dobbo and McKenzie - at least that team would give anyone a game.
Then I got spoiled with the 80's - lucky me- but apart from 95, European tours a couple of times, 2014 under Martinez, and the odd cup run, its been generally a tough watch, especially given the relative success of the RS and our peers.

The past 5 or 6 years have been absolute crap, relegation battles, etc. The low points being Fat Sam, Sammy Lee and the FSW in our dugout.
But I'd say this current period under Dyche is probably the worst 'football' I can ever remember.
We've clocked up 410 mins since our last goal (injury time not included). We've had long runs without a goal in the past, but almost 5 full games worth is not acceptable under any circumstances. Its awful to watch, which I could accept if it was getting us results, but its not. If the Friedkin's first move isnt to replace Dyche, then I'll be amazed!
 

Only if you're calling the new European micky mouse league a relevant competition, rather than means to stretch and hold back any teams threatening the top cabal of their home league.

Europa League semi and successive top 6 finishes prior to.winning it though. And this was shortly after taking over a team that were certs to go down.
 
Yeah I'd absolutely hate it if we were to compete in it and win it somehow, with it being irrelevant and all and us swimming in trophies and wins everywhere else.
I hope we never qualify for it. It would ruin our domestic season, which is way more important. The order of gravitas:

League
FA Cup
Charity shield
League cup


Now sadly, thanks to sky:

European runners up tv league
European runners up to the runners up tv league
European runners up to the runners up to the runners up tv league.
 

I think it's a valid competition Chris. It's certainly no less valid than a team finishing 5th and playing in the so-called Champions League.

It's not like it's the Charity Shield or Super Cup. It's a slog to win the thing. there's also the reward of Europa if you can win it, which in turn can get you CL.

It's obviously the least prestigious, but it's a valid competition for me, as much as any other anyway, and one I'd hope we would take seriously, but in a sensible manner.
To ein the charity shield you gave to win either the dog for the league, or the slog of the fa cup first! it's way more prestigious than the diminished European tv games in my eyes.
 
Totally agree with this. I've said it before, I'm not wishing relegation on us or whatever, but the sheer nothingness of supporting us for the last 30 years is incredible. Somewhere between 4th and 17th every year, no trophies, barely any notable victories away from home, it's been absolutely brutal.
Apart from few yo-yo periods at the start the league placings under Moyes were solid, and he largely got good value in the transfer market so overall he was a success. But that comment in bold, just focusing on Moyes, in 43 games at the "big 4" grounds (Old Trafford, Anfield, Stamford Bridge and Highbury/Emirates) he didn't win a game. Since leaving the club he has since extended that run to 69 games with his other teams.


I like him as a bloke, but he had a negativity about him (good video on this from Rio below) that meant he was safety first, and he focused too much on the opposition in the build up to games to the point his own team suffered.



The style of play was never expansive which held him back I feel when he went to OT (the signing of Fellaini a big mistake as that signalled a direct style that United were not accustomed to).


Fulham's Dan Burn said he had "never headed that many balls since the Conference" after defending 81 Manchester United crosses.

Burn, 21, made 22 clearances in the 2-2 draw at Old Trafford on Sunday.

The number of crosses set a new Premier League record.

The 6ft 7in defender, who played 10 times in the Conference for Darlington in 2011, added: "We knew that was going to happen and I was happy for them to play like that." Fulham boss Rene Meulensteen had described United's style as "straightforward". Despite breaking the crosses record that had stood since 2006, only 18 found a player in red. Darren Bent's injury-time header secured Fulham's first point in four matches but United manager David Moyes defended his side's tactics, stating playing with width was "in United's genes".


As well as the style of play issue, during their brief tenure under him United lost to teams at home they had not lost to in decades. So your comment about few notable away wins, that was never likely under Moyes during his 11 years at the club.

The Joe Royle era was the best since I started watching (first game at Goodison being '91), and the best game of course was Wembley vs United, such a joyous day when Rideout scored the winner. That team had bottle, unlike the Moyes era. Since '91 the best style of play has definitely been under Martinez (cannot think of any other manager who really played an attractive style in those years, perhaps Carlo at times when James played).

The managerial appointments largely haven't lended itself to the type of football you would like to see. Can take not winning, but at least have a go. You watch the first Howard era (before my time) and that team was electrifying. Watched a replay of the game when Ratters scored at Anfield and that team was in constant attack mode. Been a far cry from that since I've been watching.
 
Getting relegated must be awful, but at least you get to celebrate promotion. Lots of Leeds fans say they’re happier in the Championship because they win from time to time

Leeds have always been a yoyo club and have spent half their history outside the top flight. They are in a one-team city and in a way can almost afford to fail, as they will not lose a future generation of fans to local rivals in the same city. We have not got that luxury and do risk losing future fans if we are relegated, and become even more of an irrelevance. Especially if we struggle to return for a long period. Plus the only thing we still have over all others is our number of seasons in Top flight.... why would we want to lose that? Relegation would be a disaster!
 
Leeds have always been a yoyo club and have spent half their history outside the top flight. They are in a one-team city and in a way can almost afford to fail, as they will not lose a future generation of fans to local rivals in the same city. We have not got that luxury and do risk losing future fans if we are relegated, and become even more of an irrelevance. Especially if we struggle to return for a long period. Plus the only thing we still have over all others is our number of seasons in Top flight.... why would we want to lose that? Relegation would be a disaster!
I agree completely. In fact my first sentence was ‘relegation must be awful’. I don’t think Everton would recover, to be honest.

My point is that no team in any division has had as little to celebrate since 1995 as Everton. RS used to joke that the derby was our cup final. That’s not even a joke now
 
I hope we never qualify for it. It would ruin our domestic season, which is way more important. The order of gravitas:

League
FA Cup
Charity shield
League cup


Now sadly, thanks to sky:

European runners up tv league
European runners up to the runners up tv league
European runners up to the runners up to the runners up tv league.
No, Chris, respectfully.

In order of gravitas: any and all trophies we can win. It's sadly not the 80s anymore, we're not a powerhouse (and new owners likely won't change this), and we genuinely can't pick and choose - I want to see us win a trophy in my lifetime. Ideally all the trophies several times, in my lifetime, but that's not that realistic right now :lol:

And the charity shield and league cup are both nothingburgers of trophies compared to playing in Europe, but opinions and that isn't it?
 

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