2020/21 James Rodriguez

[Cameron Manning]

"football is about running back and defending and taclking"... that kind of thinking wins you zero trophies....
btw bayern didnt "let him go" They were about to buy him (got into league first 11 under heinckes, then kovac came and well.. ), but james is a lil spoiled brat who refused to stay in germany , in real madrid he wasnt in zidanes consideration and thats fair.

football is a sport in wich you can have special units do special jobs, you dont hire james/debruine/ silva to track back and tackle , thats another job for another kind of player. (same aplies to Strikers as Richardlison who cant do his main job and is still praised as a superb player by most on this forum....)

you put 2 hounds behind of james (allan/doucure) and grant him freedom to supply the strikers, is simple, and carlo knows it. (sh1t happens when those 2 guys are also injured T-T) . once again , running and tacking can only take you so far... not very far indeed, PL teams (and every other CL winners) are proof of this, none won until taking in quality footballers who can control, move and shoot with acuraccy.

No team will anything unless they have players who can tackle and mix it as well as having players who can dribble and spread the ball around creating passes that lead to goals, James has that latter ability but he does no work at all defending leaving other players to cover for him and fight and tackle to get the ball for him, he is an handicap because he can’t run backwards and forwards he is like a fifty year old running to try and catch a man once he has lost the ball, which he does very often,and is accepted by his fans,even in his poor games.

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

Between the "Carlo out" club and the "James is not good enough/consistent enough for us" on here, I do despair!

 

[Goat]

Between the "Carlo out" club and the "James is not good enough/consistent enough for us" on here, I do despair!

Dont go in the Calvert Lewin thread then.

 

[Visbaluz]

No team will anything unless they have players who can tackle and mix it as well as having players who can dribble and spread the ball around creating passes that lead to goals, James has that latter ability but he does no work at all defending leaving other players to cover for him and fight and tackle to get the ball for him, he is an handicap because he can’t run backwards and forwards he is like a fifty year old running to try and catch a man once he has lost the ball, which he does very often,and is accepted by his fans,even in his poor games.

his job is NOT to run backwards... his job is to attack , on defense he is asked to come back and form a line of 4. thats it (wich he does), thats why carlo brought allan and doucure, those 2 are in charge of tracking back.

imo carlo should use only 1 striker (DCL) and put in ANOTHER midfielder to cover those defensive liabilities wich comes with james . Colombia uses 2 defensive midfielders and 1 mixed midfieler with only 1 striker. M. city uses more midfielders to score than actual strikers, having only G. jesus to play as the pivot for the likes of marez/ sterling/debruine to come , yet they use 2 or 3 specialized defenders on the midfield... and NO, kevin debruine is not asked to track back and tackle, he does a pathethic xcuse of those , yet he gets the back up from those kind of players .

 

[Visbaluz]

Ancelotti said one of his biggest mistakes as a coach was rejecting Baggio because he did not fit into his 4-4-2 system. Ironically, I think his biggest mistake now is to stick with this type of player when the rest of the football world has moved on.

The trend in international football over the last decade is that the pace has increased (runs more, and more high-intensity sprints), the whole team has to attack and defend; the attackers should preferably defend / mark two opponents, much more focus on width (which among other things does not favor formations such as 4-3-2-1, 4-1-2-1-2, etc.), and a number 10 is quite predictable to defend against, as that player is usually the creative force of the team.

When you also have to use more players to compensate for the number 10 lack of work ethic, this will make the team more static and become quite predictable. You lose a player you could use in the attacking phase. As for JR, yes certainly a very good player, but he is very often injured. It is therefore very unwise to build an outdated system around a player who is often injured.

outdated sistem ... yet you have the PL champion who uses 1 striker and a midfield full of defensive dudes , just to grant breathing room for their creative guy. chelsea also uses plenty of defensive guys and only 1 striker...

seems to me that the outdated sistem is TO USE 2 STRIKERS (1 whom cant frigging control a ball and only has your so loved pace at defending.. but doing goals or creating em ? nope he is so frigging GOOD at coming back!)

carlo should just crap the 2 attackers and use 5 midfielders... control the ball and defend with a mid block.

 

[Cameron Manning]

his job is NOT to run backwards... his job is to attack , on defense he is asked to come back and form a line of 4. thats it (wich he does), thats why carlo brought allan and doucure, those 2 are in charge of tracking back.

imo carlo should use only 1 striker (DCL) and put in ANOTHER midfielder to cover those defensive liabilities wich comes with james . Colombia uses 2 defensive midfielders and 1 mixed midfieler with only 1 striker. M. city uses more midfielders to score than actual strikers, having only G. jesus to play as the pivot for the likes of marez/ sterling/debruine to come , yet they use 2 or 3 specialized defenders on the midfield... and NO, kevin debruine is not asked to track back and tackle, he does a pathethic xcuse of those , yet he gets the back up from those kind of players .

Manchnchester City have absolutely no luxury players like James, Kevin De Bruin? Works and works all over the pitch, they have footballers all over the field, even their goalkeeper can pass a ball better than most Everton player. Vis, you like James fair enough, I like his football ability but he is a luxury player that Everton can’t afford to have in this team, we have won more matches without him than with him so he is not irreplaceable, but I understand why you like him.

 

[MarkHollis]

I think his impact when on the pitch makes him far more than a luxury player, probably the best we have

 

[APN_EFC]

Between the "Carlo out" club and the "James is not good enough/consistent enough for us" on here, I do despair!

Carlo Ancelotti and James Rodriguez are top of our forum threads. Drink that in! ANd they're not past it, they are here to do a job. Of course they're not in their absolute prime, but they're not here for a final pay day and retirement, they both have professional pride and quality. So exciting to see their names in our club!

 

[APN_EFC]

I think his impact when on the pitch makes him far more than a luxury player, probably the best we have

Compare to Ozil for instance in his decline - James appears more effective than that type of 'luxury player' and we can see that through assists and goals in the limited time here. Can't wait to show him the love next year. Anyone who shouts 'Terrrrnnnn' or 'Clear itttt' or something about him tackling or tracking back should be banned for life. When we have a settled team, not like this injury [Poor language removed] show we've had this year, he'll be brilliant.

 

[Gilbert..]

Manchnchester City have absolutely no luxury players like James, Kevin De Bruin? Works and works all over the pitch, they have footballers all over the field, even their goalkeeper can pass a ball better than most Everton player. Vis, you like James fair enough, I like his football ability but he is a luxury player that Everton can’t afford to have in this team, we have won more matches without him than with him so he is not irreplaceable, but I understand why you like him.

Didnt come cheap. Wouldnt say mahrez is a worker. They've bought well though in the main. Alex iwobi cost more than gundogan. That actualy makes me want to vomit.

 

[Visbaluz]

Manchnchester City have absolutely no luxury players like James, Kevin De Bruin? Works and works all over the pitch, they have footballers all over the field, even their goalkeeper can pass a ball better than most Everton player. Vis, you like James fair enough, I like his football ability but he is a luxury player that Everton can’t afford to have in this team, we have won more matches without him than with him so he is not irreplaceable, but I understand why you like him.

1) he works less cus has less space to cover... 5 midfielders vs 4 or 3. and 2) he is NOT a superb defender... he lays a hand but is not equally asked to defend in the same quantity as is aked from him to attack and generate goal chances.

btw i dont like james that much i would use another colombian there. jsut saying: if you want him to deliver , "shield" him with a sistem full of midfielders , just like other players similar like him.

 

[Egil Olsen]

outdated sistem ... yet you have the PL champion who uses 1 striker and a midfield full of defensive dudes , just to grant breathing room for their creative guy. chelsea also uses plenty of defensive guys and only 1 striker...

seems to me that the outdated sistem is TO USE 2 STRIKERS (1 whom cant frigging control a ball and only has your so loved pace at defending.. but doing goals or creating em ? nope he is so frigging GOOD at coming back!)

carlo should just crap the 2 attackers and use 5 midfielders... control the ball and defend with a mid block.

You misunderstand. City's system is based on positions and rotations in zones. Where they constantly seek to create numerical superiority, positional superiority, and qualitative superiority. The latter is often seen when City leads the opponent to one side of the pitch, then switches the ball and sets up Mahrez in 1 vs. 1 situations. The point is that the whole team is playmakers, and the whole team is destroyers. Rodri / Fernandinho is usually the only constant. Their task is to circulate the ball, and be a link between defense and attack.

When they lose the ball, the whole team presses against the ball, closing the passing paths, and regains the ball. Kyle Walker has perhaps the most important role when it comes to offensive marking. In this way, they can constantly circulate the ball, and constantly wear out the opponent. Unlike the German school, Guerdiola pushes to win the ball again in order to be able to circulate the ball again, while the German school seeks to push to regain the ball in dangerous zones, and thereby go straight to goal. But it still requires that the whole team has an intense pressure on the opponent.

It is less about formation, and more about guidelines. What I think is outdated is that we build the team around a creative player (who is also a lot injured), and hope that he will come up with something magical. We are also so deep in the field that it is impossible to control possession of the ball, and we have no significant counter-pressure. An analysis was written in Athletic about just this.

 

[the golden visionary]

You misunderstand. City's system is based on positions and rotations in zones. Where they constantly seek to create numerical superiority, positional superiority, and qualitative superiority. The latter is often seen when City leads the opponent to one side of the pitch, then switches the ball and sets up Mahrez in 1 vs. 1 situations. The point is that the whole team is playmakers, and the whole team is destroyers. Rodri / Fernandinho is usually the only constant. Their task is to circulate the ball, and be a link between defense and attack.

When they lose the ball, the whole team presses against the ball, closing the passing paths, and regains the ball. Kyle Walker has perhaps the most important role when it comes to offensive marking. In this way, they can constantly circulate the ball, and constantly wear out the opponent. Unlike the German school, Guerdiola pushes to win the ball again in order to be able to circulate the ball again, while the German school seeks to push to regain the ball in dangerous zones, and thereby go straight to goal. But it still requires that the whole team has an intense pressure on the opponent.

It is less about formation, and more about guidelines. What I think is outdated is that we build the team around a creative player (who is also a lot injured), and hope that he will come up with something magical. We are also so deep in the field that it is impossible to control possession of the ball, and we have no significant counter-pressure. An analysis was written in Athletic about just this.

So we shouldnt play creative players because "footballs moved on"

To what?

Please keep reply under 140 chapters

 

[Gilbert..]

So we shouldnt play creative players because "footballs moved on"

To what?

Please keep reply under 140 chapters

Imagine Egil at barcelona.
"You're not playing today lionel. You dont run back"

 

[Egil Olsen]

So we shouldnt play creative players because "footballs moved on"

To what?

Please keep reply under 140 chapters

Of course, we must use creative players, but they must also be able to press, and do so with high intensity. They must also be able to run home and join in defending their own goal, when needed. So that the opponent does not get a numerical advantage. If anyone saw Mahrez against PSG he was phenomenal there. There is, of course, something completely different against Burnley, where City totally dominate. To take Chelsea and Tuchel, there are not many matches since he replaced Hudson-Odoi because he was too bad in this phase. Good opponents punish you right away, if not everyone does their job.