January Transfer Thread 2017

[Dutch Toffee]

Which is? A genuine request by the way as I haven't got a scooby do what you're talking about.

Usmanov.

Certainty to join up with Moshiri's Everton before the end of the year. The Esk said no

If we're so quick to call all his wrongs, let's give him credit for the ones he gets right.

 

[Zatara]

Whats this about Jose Gimenez ???

 

[MikeH72]

Kone
Niasse
Cleverley
Robles
Jagielka
Stekelenburg
Oviedo
Mirallas
Funes Mori
Gibson
Barry
Rodriguez
McAleny
ValenciA

Jesus that is one eye-wateringly depressing list

 

[Goat]

Whats this about Jose Gimenez ???

I just gave you a transfer review Zat.

 

[PhilM]

Usmanov.

Certainty to join up with Moshiri's Everton before the end of the year. The Esk said no

If we're so quick to call all his wrongs, let's give him credit for the ones he gets right.

Still at a loss. Do you not mean certainty to not join up with Moshiri by the end of the year? I'm sure that's what Esk originally stated.

Or, has in the last few minutes and unbeknownst to the mere fans like myself, has Usmanov decided to invest?

EDIT: I've either read that wrong or you've amended your post, so feel free to delete the nonsense I've just posted here.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Still at a loss. Do you not mean certainty to not join up with Moshiri by the end of the year? I'm sure that's what Esk originally stated.

Or, has in the last few minutes and unbeknownst to the mere fans like myself, has Usmanov decided to invest?

Sorry mate, just corrected my post

 

[PhilM]

Sorry mate, just corrected my post

As mentioned above, I just noticed your amendment and even quoted it but replied to the original context. Delete my guff at your own will.

 

[catcherintherye]

Unsavoury it may have been and you could argue unfairly so, however on the other hand I can understand why people have become sceptical.

If you're willing to make numerous bold claims that eventually appear unfounded, then people will rightly question the validity of any claims.

I have no issues with @The Esk and I do enjoy reading and listening to his elegant and well thought out views on the progress of the club.

However, I'm not naive enough to take his comments on transfers, the stadium etc. as gospel and I'm sure that doesn't bother him one bit.

Mocking and harassing him explains more about those individuals than it does about him. If you don't believe him, then leave it at that. Easy...

This is a good post. The only thing I would say though is in the Kangaroo court of the internet what you often find is a lack of balance or a fair understanding of different things.

Eek said we were heavily in for Mata and Witsel. Neither signed. He also mentioned Stones was likely to go, Barkley and Lukaku stayed. That was true. He intimated at different moments Stonebridge Cross wasn't the preferred option but a Docklands site would be- again looking true. He gave us the day Martinez would be sacked, when he was. He told us we would be getting a DOF in and we did. He stated very early on we were very impressed with Koeman, and even when it was delayed confirmed he would be our man. He made it explicitly clear that Moyes would not be given the job. The list could go on.

I don't say that to suggest he is always right, or people have to listen to him. We live in a free society and people have the right to choose what bits of information they do or don't listen too. What can't and shouldn't be mistaken though, is that he has got some right sand some wrong, but the tendency is for him to be right more often than not. Maybe he is just very lucky, but I would imagine he is well connected.

But yes I have rambled on, however the salient point here, is when people make the point of Mata and Witsel it would normally be fair to acknowledge there are numerous other examples when he got it correct. That doesn't happen, which is a tad frustrating as it gives a skewed perspective. If people want to feel he's a conman (or equivalent) thats their opinion which they are entitled too, but lets at least have a fair hearing of all the evidence.

 

[orly]

Philosophical question: surely it is much easier to predict things that won't happen, than predict things that will happen?

 

[Dutch Toffee]

As mentioned above, I just noticed your amendment and even quoted it but replied to the original context. Delete my guff at your own will.

Nobody reads anything we say anywaylol

 

[TheFinnFan]

Usmanov.

Certainty to join up with Moshiri's Everton before the end of the year. The Esk said no

If we're so quick to call all his wrongs, let's give him credit for the ones he gets right.

That itk was in toffeeweb or was it toffeetalk

 

[Professor Toffee]

Philosophical question: surely it is much easier to predict things that won't happen, than predict things that will happen?

Depends on the context
The sun will rise in the morning and will set tonight

 

[rkblue]

Break the bank for Moussa Dembele. 35 m will do, Moshi lad.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

That itk was in toffeeweb or was it toffeetalk

It was also brought on here. Anyway, just having a little fun as I was thinking of it this morning.

 

[PhilM]

however the salient point here, is when people make the point of Mata and Witsel it would normally be fair to acknowledge there are numerous other examples when he got it correct. That doesn't happen, which is a tad frustrating as it gives a skewed perspective. If people want to feel he's a conman (or equivalent) thats their opinion which they are entitled too, but lets at least have a fair hearing of all the evidence.

I think people tend to merit correct knowledge of pending transfers rather than correct knowledge of other aspects of the clubs 'lesser' dealings.

Is that fair or just? Well that's for other people to decide and the more objective individual will probably say no but people aren't always objective.

Hence why I agree that he gets an unfair level of criticism. Still, perhaps if he had advocated less the certainty of transfers he'd get more leeway.

As your rightly mention, he's got some right and he has got some wrong so people can make their own judgements on how valid his sources are.

The pitfalls of being in the know and what not I guess... The scepticism that he's drip fed fake stories by the club is tin-foil hat stuff however!