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January Transfer Window 2023

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ZissouBlue said:
It's about the cost with Ings for me. We could try for a loan with an inflated fee, but Villa have no reason to loan him out when he's still contributing. In Emery's system, they need two forwards and recent games have shown how much better Ings is at getting goals than Bailey. They overpaid for him before last season, so he's not going for a bargain. Probably 15m at a minimum, maybe more like 20m. If we think Ings is the difference between us staying up or not, maybe you put all of our available funds to do that. It would be well worth it. But then we're stuck with another over 30 player on big wages and a long contract, which will prevent us from buying a more sustainable player in the summer. And we repeat this exercise again and again until we finally go down.
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Usually it's not a good idea to kick the can down the road - I was on here vocal against signing Tosun/Walcott for the very reason you've said there.

Huge difference now though because we're starring relegation in the face.

We've been crap for a very long time. It's not a blip. 19th out of 20 in the league for points gained in the year 2022. There isn't the goals in this team an the only centre forward we have can't be relied on for fitness.

If not Ings, who is available, who we can afford, who is willing, and proven to score in the league? Given we're currently favourites for relegation, we can't gamble outside of that.

I do think a lot of fans really need a reality check.

As is, we're going down.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Maupay should always have been a useful squad/second striker. Steven Naismith like. I like him, in the right team, in an around a centre forward he can be a real nuisance/handful. Never an out an out number 9 in this Everton team.

We're talking about wasting money as though we've got a choice - if we don't bring in more goals - a decent/proven centre forward, we're relegated.
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Yeah, I've never seen a striker less suited to being the lone striker - which is how we've played him for the most part. Short and no pace.

I think him and DCL could work effectively together.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Usually it's not a good idea to kick the can down the road - I was on here vocal against signing Tosun/Walcott for the very reason you've said there.

Huge difference now though because we're starring relegation in the face.

We've been crap for a very long time. It's not a blip. 19th out of 20 in the league for points gained in the year 2022. There isn't the goals in this team an the only centre forward we have can't be relied on for fitness.

If not Ings, who is available, who we can afford, who is willing, and proven to score in the league? Given we're currently favourites for relegation, we can't gamble outside of that.

I do think a lot of fans really need a reality check.

As is, we're going down.
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I think we are all on the same page and can see what is happening in front of us. Signing Danny Ings is at the end of a long line of poor planning. Its unlikely Ings was a target when we all knew Richarlison was leaving and it has resulted in a panicking mess of a transfer window. As it stands, bring him in to plug the gaping hole but we as a club cannot continue to operate like this.
 
The Penalty Box Dancer said:
It's throwing mud at the wall and hoping it sticks. Exactly what we have done for years. There's no proper youth development in place. There's no proper strategy being implemented. It's reactive like it always has been
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I don't disagree but it has to be reactive at the moment doesn't it? We're in the relegation zone at the halfway point, scoring considerably less than a goal a game. Youth development is important but it isn't going to keep us up between now and May.
 

Papa Shango said:
I'm not convinced about that. He wouldn't be making chances for himself and its not like our strikers are even missing chances as we never create any.

I rate him as a player too.
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Our inability to create chances is a huge part of the problem we have [link to July], but you know what doesn't help? Starting the season with Anthony Gordon upfront, ducking out of challenges with Koulibaly an Silva.

Any game this season we've not had Calvert-Lewin fit, we've effectively been playing without a striker.

We need some creativity, sure - but we need a centre forward who can score as well.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Usually it's not a good idea to kick the can down the road - I was on here vocal against signing Tosun/Walcott for the very reason you've said there.

Huge difference now though because we're starring relegation in the face.

We've been crap for a very long time. It's not a blip. 19th out of 20 in the league for points gained in the year 2022. There isn't the goals in this team an the only centre forward we have can't be relied on for fitness.

If not Ings, who is available, who we can afford, who is willing, and proven to score in the league? Given we're currently favourites for relegation, we can't gamble outside of that.

I do think a lot of fans really need a reality check.

As is, we're going down.
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And we cannot afford that. if we are down there is absolutely NO guarantee we can come straight back up. Every game -v- Everton will be like a cup tie to Championship teams and I don't think we have the character or personality to challenge that, regrettably.
 
Lanolin said:
I don't disagree but it has to be reactive at the moment doesn't it? We're in the relegation zone at the halfway point, scoring considerably less than a goal a game. Youth development is important but it isn't going to keep us up between now and May.
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Yes absolutely. We have to react like this but we can't continue like this in future. This is why we are where we are.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
Our inability to create chances is a huge part of the problem we have [link to July], but you know what doesn't help? Starting the season with Anthony Gordon upfront, ducking out of challenges with Koulibaly an Silva.

Any game this season we've not had Calvert-Lewin fit, we've effectively been playing without a striker.

We need some creativity, sure - but we need a centre forward who can score as well.
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That's why Dwight McNeill made no sense either. He had 1 assist for Burnley before we signed him. That's taking into account he was their set piece taker as well.

We need an attacking midfielder and winger, probably more urgently than another striker. Strikers (who we could get) don't score unless they have team mates creating chances for them.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Usually it's not a good idea to kick the can down the road - I was on here vocal against signing Tosun/Walcott for the very reason you've said there.

Huge difference now though because we're starring relegation in the face.

We've been crap for a very long time. It's not a blip. 19th out of 20 in the league for points gained in the year 2022. There isn't the goals in this team an the only centre forward we have can't be relied on for fitness.

If not Ings, who is available, who we can afford, who is willing, and proven to score in the league? Given we're currently favourites for relegation, we can't gamble outside of that.

I do think a lot of fans really need a reality check.

As is, we're going down.
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It's risk reward I suppose, and that depends on the position of our finances right at this moment, and none of us know for sure how bad it is.

Sure Ings could come in and get 6 or 7 goals and we come 16th or 17th. But what if we sign him for say £20m, on a very big wage, then we go down, or he gets another injury.

It's a very tricky one for me. I would much prefer to be looking in the loan market for older forwards than shelling out another £20m or whatever Villa would ask. It might all be irrelevant though because we maybe don't have £15 or £20m (I don't know how much he would cost, I'm only guessing).
 

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