Joel Robles

[ijjysmith]

No chance pal! Im sorry but i disagree with you on that one.
Heaton is a ok/good goalkeeper. Makes a lot of saves but a lot of it is down to Keane and Mee are very good at getting the opposition to shoot from unrealistic area's of the pitch.
Example with what he had infront of him on saturday, (players crashing into each other, defence being split apart, showing coutinho inside, general mayhem basically. Heaton would not of saved any of them on Saturday.

you are more than welcome to argue the case as my opinion is not fact but is Heaton a HUGE upgrade on Joel?

All opinions and he was just the first keeper that came to mind. I'd have Heaton over Robles every single day of the week.

The fact that the first keeper I thought of i'd prefer pretty much makes it certain that given some actual thought there will be a lot i'd rather have.

Joe Hart isn't one of them though.

 

[Raino85]

All opinions and he was just the first keeper that came to mind. I'd have Heaton over Robles every single day of the week.

The fact that the first keeper I thought of i'd prefer pretty much makes it certain that given some actual thought there will be a lot i'd rather have.

Joe Hart isn't one of them though.

That is something i 100% agree with. Hart i used to rate, thought he could iron out his mistakes, but he just hasent done it.
Every time he makes a mistake he comes out with some drivel like "Im big enough to admit when i have made a mistake"
Heres an idea, instead of being so big about it, get on the training pitch and work at not making them mistakes and you wont have to come out and be so big!

As i said though, i still dont think Heaton is a better option (opinion) but even if he is he isnt a huge upgrade is he?
Would he be the everton goalkeeper you want to take us into the top 4?
How many points would he save us a season?

I remember when Spurs had Freidal and at the time he got Goalkeeper of the season, but Lloris became available so they snapped him up, basically because he was an upgrade on most goalkeepers in the league.

I reckon i could find a case against for any realistic option anybody says would be a significant upgrade at this moment in time

 

[ijjysmith]

That is something i 100% agree with. Hart i used to rate, thought he could iron out his mistakes, but he just hasent done it.
Every time he makes a mistake he comes out with some drivel like "Im big enough to admit when i have made a mistake"
Heres an idea, instead of being so big about it, get on the training pitch and work at not making them mistakes and you wont have to come out and be so big!

As i said though, i still dont think Heaton is a better option (opinion) but even if he is he isnt a huge upgrade is he?
Would he be the everton goalkeeper you want to take us into the top 4?
How many points would he save us a season?

I remember when Spurs had Freidal and at the time he got Goalkeeper of the season, but Lloris became available so they snapped him up, basically because he was an upgrade on most goalkeepers in the league.

I reckon i could find a case against for any realistic option anybody says would be a significant upgrade at this moment in time

Thing is though we won't immediately get players who will take us to the Top 4. In needs to be an incremental improvement.

So no, Heaton probably isn't a Top 4 keeper (Robles definitely isn't) but we simply won't get a Top 4 keeper at this stage. It just needs to be an improvement over time.

That goes for every position too.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Been saying this for a while with little in the way of answers.

Who is considerably better and available?

The available bit is difficult to answer. You never know who is available until you ask

Realistically we should be able to buy from more or less anyone below us in the Premier League if we put enough money into it. Similarly, there are only a relatively small number of clubs internationally who are big enough to fend us off from a financial perspective.

Those are probably Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Juventus, PSG, Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund. Now there may be players at the likes of both Milan clubs, Roma, Monaco, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, etc etc who don't fancy a move to us as they are looking for CL clubs, but they shouldn't really be out of our grasp financially.

To go back to the point about who is better...

In this country, keepers from the teams below us who I'm confident are better than Joel: Butland, Schmiechel, Forster. That's about it. Pickford is a potentially good keeper, but I'm not on the Heaton fan bus.

Outside of England, I guess we all start relying on the limited foreign footy that we watch but Leno and Rui Patricio instantly spring to mind as top keepers who aren't at massive clubs, whilst the likes of Donarumma who looks to be one of the continent's next top stars are probably unrealistic.

 

[Raino85]

The available bit is difficult to answer. You never know who is available until you ask

Realistically we should be able to buy from more or less anyone below us in the Premier League if we put enough money into it. Similarly, there are only a relatively small number of clubs internationally who are big enough to fend us off from a financial perspective.

Those are probably Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Juventus, PSG, Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund. Now there may be players at the likes of both Milan clubs, Roma, Monaco, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, etc etc who don't fancy a move to us as they are looking for CL clubs, but they shouldn't really be out of our grasp financially.

To go back to the point about who is better...

In this country, keepers from the teams below us who I'm confident are better than Joel: Butland, Schmiechel, Forster. That's about it. Pickford is a potentially good keeper, but I'm not on the Heaton fan bus.

Outside of England, I guess we all start relying on the limited foreign footy that we watch but Leno and Rui Patricio instantly spring to mind as top keepers who aren't at massive clubs, whilst the likes of Donarumma who looks to be one of the continent's next top stars are probably unrealistic.

Butland i think would command in the region of 20million and i reckon he would want to show loyalty to Stoke for sticking by him after his injury, plus we dont know what he will be like once he returns from injury.

Schmeichel - Despite what people say about he is the only one who has shown the consistency throughout the season - he hasn't, a season is a long time in football and people only really remember the past 3 months. He was poor the first 3-4 months of the season and only really started improving around the latter champions league group games. I remember 2- 3 big mistakes then (one were he comes tearing out his goal and misses the ball completely). He is a good keeper, but i dont see him as a significant improvement on Joel

Forster has been mediocre most of the season. I dont know if that is he has stopped concentrating, his defence is weaker, or he dosent want to be at southampton, but mistakes have crept into his games and he has stopped keeping clean sheets. Would it be a risk to go and get a goalkeeper that you are not sure if you will get last seasons or this seasons Forster

 

[Raino85]

9 minutes 19 seconds

Anyone want Kasper in sticks for us at Anfield?

To be fair there first goal was very Joelesque also

 

[joey_macmo]

yet he pulled of two blinding saves one in the first half just before Coutinho scored from him where Jags then headed of the line, and their sub fullback chip where he clawed it out as it was destined to go into the corner of the net anyway RK is having talks with him to extend Robles contract!
I had him down for the third goal error that's all - the fact that the red lot were allowed just to shoot in did not help!
If he is dropped tonight it would surprise me, but you never know!

Hahahahaha as if they were blinding saves.

Coutinhos was straight at him as Gary Neville said and the Alexander Arnold one was about as slow as Barry in the turn.

 

[toffeeblue9]

9 minutes 19 seconds

Anyone want Kasper in sticks for us at Anfield?

To be fair there first goal was very Joelesque also

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't buy Schmeichel personally, his age is against him as I'd rather someone no older than 26 or so, but I think he's better than Joel all things considered.

 

[Lanolin]

Hahahahaha as if they were blinding saves.

Coutinhos was straight at him as Gary Neville said and the Alexander Arnold one was about as slow as Barry in the turn.

The Coutinho one wasn't even a save, it still would have gone in if Jagielka hadn't intervened. Straight at him and he spooned it up like a volleyball serve. Joey's his mum though, so don't expect any recognition of mistakes.

 

[Papa Shango]

The available bit is difficult to answer. You never know who is available until you ask

Realistically we should be able to buy from more or less anyone below us in the Premier League if we put enough money into it. Similarly, there are only a relatively small number of clubs internationally who are big enough to fend us off from a financial perspective.

Those are probably Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Juventus, PSG, Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund. Now there may be players at the likes of both Milan clubs, Roma, Monaco, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, etc etc who don't fancy a move to us as they are looking for CL clubs, but they shouldn't really be out of our grasp financially.

To go back to the point about who is better...

In this country, keepers from the teams below us who I'm confident are better than Joel: Butland, Schmiechel, Forster. That's about it. Pickford is a potentially good keeper, but I'm not on the Heaton fan bus.

Outside of England, I guess we all start relying on the limited foreign footy that we watch but Leno and Rui Patricio instantly spring to mind as top keepers who aren't at massive clubs, whilst the likes of Donarumma who looks to be one of the continent's next top stars are probably unrealistic.

Other than Schmiechel (who I don't even think is the best goalie at Leicester) they are all probably better than Robles, thing is are they that much better that it is worth pursuing them? Other than Butland (and who knows what his injuries have done to him) then I am not convinced they are.

Yann Sommer is the answer for me. Failing that I reckon it's a job for Mr Walsh. There will be quality goalies out there who are under the radar.

 

[4737carlin]

9 minutes 19 seconds

Anyone want Kasper in sticks for us at Anfield?

To be fair there first goal was very Joelesque also

Schmeichel is average at best, I think some are deluded about him because of his name.

 

[Joey66]

Hahahahaha as if they were blinding saves.

Coutinhos was straight at him as Gary Neville said and the Alexander Arnold one was about as slow as Barry in the turn.

It was a delicate chip if he makes saves you moan, put Stek into night Imwill forward him his lumbago tablets in advance!
Picking the ball out of the net with his dodgy knees!

 

[Joey66]

The Coutinho one wasn't even a save, it still would have gone in if Jagielka hadn't intervened. Straight at him and he spooned it up like a volleyball serve. Joey's his mum though, so don't expect any recognition of mistakes.

Very funny the commentators stated great save!

 

[toffeejack]

Thing is though we won't immediately get players who will take us to the Top 4. In needs to be an incremental improvement.

So no, Heaton probably isn't a Top 4 keeper (Robles definitely isn't) but we simply won't get a Top 4 keeper at this stage. It just needs to be an improvement over time.

That goes for every position too.

or we go for pickford like united did with de gea and in a couple of years whilst we've progressed to top 4, we'll have a keeper fit for it. He seems good enough so far anyway, a bit different to all over good shot stoppers who are constantly in the game, anyway.

 

[ijjysmith]

or we go for pickford like united did with de gea and in a couple of years whilst we've progressed to top 4, we'll have a keeper fit for it. He seems good enough so far anyway, a bit different to all over good shot stoppers who are constantly in the game, anyway.

I'm not 100% on Pickford yet. But not sure you can be at his age.

I'm really sure we have or are having a sniff about him though.