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John Stones transfer saga

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Interesting article.
Chelsea ,as we have suggested, trying to unsettle the player and snap him up before other big fish arrive.
Where they have badly miscalculated is the size of offer made.
20m was derisory. If they offered 30m at least Everton would have to consider the bid.
I think it smacks of desperation by Chelsea in light of that article.
 
Barnsley fans are talking of a 25% sell on clause, I hope thats not right. Maybe 10% but who knows

It's 20% I think, from a few different sources. We've also tried to buy it out a few times, but they've said no.

Lets hope so.
It will clearly unsettle the lad. Have a whole load of stuff going on in his head.

I imagine he has gone home to Yorkshire for few days to get away from it all. Still think Chelsea arent the right club or move for him. Lets hope so.

I think it was pretty clear straight away that the bid was only meant to try and unsettle him. From all I've heard and seen of Stones (I met him very briefly back in 2012 as he was a friend of a friend, but couldn't claim to know himm obviously!) he's a smart lad who knows he's at the best place for him at the moment. He's not 100% driven by money - I remember when he signed for us and spent his signing on fee paying off his parent's mortgage and buying his girlfriend a car - and I really don't think he's the type of player to demand a move.

His parents still live in Penistone, and he's back over in Barnsley a lot, so it wouldn't surprise me if he has come home for a day or so to get away from it, as you've said.
 
It's 20% I think, from a few different sources. We've also tried to buy it out a few times, but they've said no.



I think it was pretty clear straight away that the bid was only meant to try and unsettle him. From all I've heard and seen of Stones (I met him very briefly back in 2012 as he was a friend of a friend, but couldn't claim to know himm obviously!) he's a smart lad who knows he's at the best place for him at the moment. He's not 100% driven by money - I remember when he signed for us and spent his signing on fee paying off his parent's mortgage and buying his girlfriend a car - and I really don't think he's the type of player to demand a move.

His parents still live in Penistone, and he's back over in Barnsley a lot, so it wouldn't surprise me if he has come home for a day or so to get away from it, as you've said.

As far as I understand he still lives that way..?
 

It's just the wrong time for him to go isn't it?

I think deep down we all know we won't hold onto a player like him forever, but it's just way way too soon. Maybe by 3 or 4 years.

But on the flip this might be Chelsea's best chance of getting him. Next season City will want him. And maybe the big boys abroad.

SAKE

I hate football sometimes.
 
Jose didn't really think this one through.


Publicly announcing that they've bid for Stones means Barnsley now know he's going for big money, destroying any chance (no matter how slim it was) of us buying the sell-on clause. This means we're going to want more in order to make up for the fact that we'll be losing some of the fee.

I like the man for being red Kyrptonite, but for a 'football genius' he doesn't half bugger things up.
 
It's just the wrong time for him to go isn't it?

I think deep down we all know we won't hold onto a player like him forever, but it's just way way too soon. Maybe by 3 or 4 years.

But on the flip this might be Chelsea's best chance of getting him. Next season City will want him. And maybe the big boys abroad.

SAKE

I hate football sometimes.
It'd be a real shame if we didn't get at least one whole season with Stones as first choice. I feel as though we've barely had a chance to watch him.
 
Seems like a grounded lad, Stones, but why would you not want to play under arguably the best manager in the world, the league champions and in the Champions League? I think he will go and wouldn't begrudge him. I'd rather he stayed than the probably sizeable sum he will demand, though.
 

OK, so what do we know so far?

Chelsea have made a bid
Everton have rejected the bid
John Stones is still an Everton player.
We have a 137 page thread full of absolute tosh and faux outrage at everything and everyone
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ohn-Stones-was-off-limits-before-20m-bid.html

Interesting article. Reads like a reply to Mourinho's comments from Everton. Basically saying we told them before the bid was made public that he's off limits, he's not for sale and that's the end of it as far as Everton are concerned.

Full article.


Jose Mourinho's claim that they had not been discouraged from improving offer for defender misreads Everton’s stance


Everton issued a written response to Chelsea to rule out the sale of John Stones, days before Jose Mourinho’s £20 million bid for the England defender was made public. Mourinho suggested at the weekend that the Premier League champions had not been discouraged from returning with an improved offer for Stones. But this view is contradicted by the timing and unambiguous tone of Everton’s reaction to the Chelsea bid, which was made early last week.

Everton wrote to Chelsea to reject the proposal and make clear that they had no intention of selling Stones. As far as Everton are concerned, their position could not have been clearer to Mourinho and the Chelsea board, which explains why Roberto Martinez, the Goodison manager, has responded so angrily to the public revelation of the offer in the past few days.

There is bewilderment at the Chelsea manager’s interpretation of the sequence of events, which evidently misreads Everton’s stance. Mourinho mischievously kept the door open for another Chelsea offer with his weekend comments.

“I would advise Roberto to do the same thing as I do. If I get an offer for one of my players and I don’t want to accept any offer I say I don’t accept any offer, so he can make it very, very easy,” Mourinho said.

“If today I receive a bid for [Cesc] Fabregas in two minutes I will say I don’t accept any bid, game over, that’s it. If we made a bid it is because we like the player, we don’t make bids for players we don’t like, but we respect Everton and respect every club that has a player and it is up to them – everything is in their hands.”

Given Everton’s written response, it seems that either Mourinho was not informed of the letter by his executives, or he has misunderstood it. Martinez and Everton naturally hoped Chelsea’s offer would remain private, so they are cynical regarding the motivation behind letting a rejected bid enter the public domain several days after it was turned down.

There is concern that Stones has been unsettled by Chelsea’s interest, a point Martinez made while in Singapore competing for the Asia trophy. Everton know Chelsea are likely to return with an improved offer – Stones’s value would make him the most expensive England defender in history if bids of more than £30 million materialise – but the Merseyside club are adamant that he will not leave for any price in this transfer window.

Their anger with Chelsea will serve only to strengthen their resolve. There is no financial compulsion for Everton to sell, while the sporting reasons will make Martinez even more determined to fight his corner. Even if he received a record fee for Stones, he would find it almost impossible to replace a player of such calibre in the next few weeks, leaving him short before the start of the Premier League season.

Whatever Chelsea offer, Martinez wants the player, not a large cheque to reinvest. He has been trying to find a centre-half to cover and complement Stones and his captain, Phil Jagielka, so the prospect of having to buy two centre-halves in a month is unpalatable.

Martinez’s anger was apparent on Saturday. “There is the disappointment of a club making a statement to the press and making it openly. I don’t think we’d do it and speak about a player. John Stones is an Everton player, full stop.”
 

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