John Stones transfer saga

Magic BFC · July 31, 2015

Lids1978 said:
He's on close to 300k including bonuses mate. It's ridiculous but Sid the Snake is his agent after all!

He's greedy little rodent, who uses underhanded tactics to get what he wants, he'd be at Chelski now if Sir Alex hadn't retired.

deipnosophist · July 31, 2015

TheFinnFan said:
It's "Dont speak" by Red Necks. That band also had hit song called "Murder on the dance floor" in the 70s

Redbone had a very good song too..."Come and Get Your Love" is a 1974 hit single by the Native American rock band

njligernj · July 31, 2015

Ashtonian said:
okay.

We sell stones. sign for arguments sake and sign 3 top players with the money. are we weaker?

Nope. But you might as well say "we swap Stones for Messi are we weaker?" Of course you can frame the argument in a fashion where you win. But the thing you are proposing is incredibly unlikely. I assume we try to buy top players every single time we buy someone. How many turn out that way? Although it depends on your definition of "top" but it seems very unlikely ... like this ...

Ashtonian said:
or better yet barca sell Messi right now and look to invest the money. They sign stones, a Ronaldo in waiting, a Cristiano Ronaldo in waiting, pogba, De gea.

yes right this minute they are weaker, but in 2 years they are even better than what they are now. so the money would be invested into a better future for them. They lose one top class player who improves a rival but in a couple of years their first 11 is better than anyone else's.

is that not improving?

Where on earth are they finding these two Ronaldos?

First off you have to figure out the delta between what Barca can do now with Messi v. what selling Messi would allow them to do that could not already do with Messi.

Why can't they buy Ronaldo in waiting now and keep Messi (temporary transfer embargos aside)? They can.

There are a limited quantity of Ronaldos (even accounting for the two different famous ones). There are a limited quantity of starting spots for Barca.

They can afford to buy more players than they do buy already. They just can't buy everyone. Money is not the limiting factor for them. It's the available talent better than existing players (very limited) and their ability to attract that talent (because even with a name like Barca if you'll never play you'd rather go to another elite club).

Money isn't their issue. I think Barca can easily afford most of the potential Ronaldos already without selling Messi.

Few pages back you said something like "well of course he's worth more to Barca than any team in the world would actually pay but that doesn't mean they wouldn't sell him" (for an amount nobody would actually give them). That's my issue. This is all hypothetical. When people say "well every player has a price" they don't mean "if someone utterly mental shows up and spends way more money on a player than anyone on earth would deem remotely reasonable."

If you saw a list of the most expensive cars in the world and they were all theoretical prices (well someone might pay $175 million for my Ford Escort so it's number one!) you wouldn't be happy.

I'm arguing that a player can be worth more to a team than the money it would cost to buy him. So not every player has a price. If you admit nobody would pay Barca what they would need to sell then not every player has a price.

oldblue · July 31, 2015

blarger said:
Excellent news Mourinho has backed down.

Like he really cares over the medals and the added profile and money he's got for playing for Man U.

clearly he does but doesn't change the fact that you can sacrifice some of the love of just playing and becoming a legend at a club to get these things. Not always worth it

blue4eva77 · July 31, 2015

FTY said:
It's a trap, they'll make another bid

Yep.

Its classic unsettling of a player. To make the player think 'what could of been'. Its laying the foundations for the player to hand in a transfer request. Having said that i think somewhere between 35-37m will get them Stones.

deipnosophist · July 31, 2015

ijjysmith said:
I don't really understand their low bids for Stones to be honest. If they really want him they know they could get him by bidding something daft. Which they are more than capable of doing.

Anyway, I honestly think this whole this is over now, for this summer anyway.

I suspect you are right. For some distraction however, I am hoping Hibbo has a blinder of a season and also attracts some huge money bids next window

ijjysmith · July 31, 2015

deipnosophist said:
I suspect you are right. For some distraction however, I am hoping Hibbo has a blinder of a season and also attracts some huge money bids next window

Ha.

I've seen people say the low bids were to unsettle Stones. Which maybe true, but he seems such a level headed lad it would just never work.

TheFinnFan · July 31, 2015

ijjysmith said:
Ha.

I've seen people say the low bids were to unsettle Stones. Which maybe true, but he seems such a level headed lad it would just never work.

Thats why Chelsea made fools out of them selves. They thought they could just suck him in like that.they underestimated EVERTON AND FORE MOST STONES.

EFC85 · July 31, 2015

Sky Sources will be all over it on the 1st September, he's set the foundations now and they'll come back with something around 30 and hope to force our/Stones' hand. Anyone who believes its over is kidding themselves.

ijjysmith · July 31, 2015

TheFinnFan said:
Thats why Chelsea made fools out of them selves. They thought they could just suck him in like that.they underestimated EVERTON AND FORE MOST STONES.

I'd have enjoyed Martinez going on Sky like:

'Look Jose, we've got links with Spider-Man and our spidey senses are telling you to bid £78m or do one yeah? Phenomenal'

tadpole · July 31, 2015

blue4eva77 said:
Yep.

Its classic unsettling of a player. To make the player think 'what could of been'. Its laying the foundations for the player to hand in a transfer request. Having said that i think somewhere between 35-37m will get them Stones.

Er ... let me see if I've got this straight. Everton saying he's not for sale means that he's for sale for anything over £35m, while Mourinho saying he ain't bothered is intended to entice Stones to come and play for him.

If you assume these people are lying whenever they open their mouths, why listen at all ?

TheFinnFan · July 31, 2015

ijjysmith said:
I'd have enjoyed Martinez going on Sky like:

'Look Jose, we've got links with Spider-Man and our spidey senses are telling you to bid £78m or do one yeah? Phenomenal'

Is right mate

Magic BFC · July 31, 2015

John Stones, won't give this nonsense a second thought, he wants to be the best footballer He can be, and he'll not improve by wasting time with this bullsh!t, he's focused on football, money doesn't matter to the kid, it's all about playing football and improving, trying to unsettle him is a waste of time. He'll know exactly what he's doing and when he's doing it, and now isn't the time.

blue4eva77 · July 31, 2015

tadpole said:
Er ... let me see if I've got this straight. Everton saying he's not for sale means that he's for sale for anything over £35m, while Mourinho saying he ain't bothered is intended to entice Stones to come and play for him.

If you assume these people are lying whenever they open their mouths, why listen at all ?

Thats exactly what im saying yes.

Everton saying he isn't for sale, just means come back with a higher bid. And yes Mourinho saying he isn't bothered is just his attempt at mind games to further mess with the players head a little.

Make no mistake, John Stones WILL be sold within the next 12 months.