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John Stones

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Robles is the real villain, that is a piss poor clearance to give a corner.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing regarding Stones, but Robles really should be doing better there.

He shouldn't have had to be doing better.

He was played into trouble unnecessarily.

The same way Howard was put into trouble by Stones versus Swans.

When I played football at school, the games master would tear a strip of us for playing the ball across our box with one of the other team's players lurking.

In both instances John showed complete unawareness of what was going on around him.

Mind you.....if he had a manager who didn't regard lumping it into Row ZZ as an act of heresy happen he would desist from this practice.
 
If he leaves Chelski, I would sign Terry just to mentor Stones! He would learn more from one season with Terry than ten with anyone else!
 
Stones NEEDS to have an experienced mentor & manager who will point out his mistakes and aren't going to sing his praises every week.

Doesn't seem to be anybody at the club who is doing that, otherwise why would he make the same mistakes over and over again?

Can only imagine him trying the same stuff alongside Puyol at Barcelona. Puyol would knock some sense into him both as a captain and as an experienced defender.

He is young, yes, and he will learn but only if someone is actually going to bawl at him when he's ballsed up badly and give him a quiet pat on the back after a job well done.
 
The players aren't the issue. It's the system we play in terms of defending.

We don't defend as a unit.

The players are an issue too. Coleman and Baines have never been great defensively yet with injuries and age they cant seem to react quick enough stopping crosses these days.

Jagielka is rock solid generally (looped balls over his head aside) but not a leader. Im not convinced by Stones he isnt a great defender but doesnt seem to be particularly great in the ball either which is the excuse used for him being poor defensively. If he was he wouldnt keep making mistakes. Obviously he is still young so I wont hang him our to dry just yet but he aint learning. And Mori is pretty average really with a mistake in him. This seems to get overlooked because he is a goal threat.

We are screwed basically.
 
The players are an issue too. Coleman and Baines have never been great defensively yet with injuries and age they cant seem to react quick enough stopping crosses these days.

Jagielka is rock solid generally (looped balls over his head aside) but not a leader. Im not convinced by Stones he isnt a great defender but doesnt seem to be particularly great in the ball either which is the excuse used for him being poor defensively. If he was he wouldnt keep making mistakes. Obviously he is still young so I wont hang him our to dry just yet but he aint learning. And Mori is pretty average really with a mistake in him. This seems to get overlooked because he is a goal threat.

We are screwed basically.

Oh yeh I mean they obviously need to be better. They must shoulder some of the blame.

Stones is a superb player mate.

That tackle last week vs United was one of the best of the season, for example.

He made a mistake on Saturday by playing it back to Joel. I think the thing with Stones is that he is so comfortable on the ball, he tends to forget (almost) that other players aren't. Joel could have easily put that anywhere else though, and Stones wasn't at fault for the goal...
 

Definite change in stones play since he got back in the team. He seems to be playing the ball quicker and not striding forward as much as he was. Glad to see him playing it safer at times but he's almost gone too far and taken one aspect of his game away that he was really good at. At least though he may have started to learn from some of his mistakes and isn't gambling quite as much perhaps it's him learning his trade. If he continues he does have the chance of being one of the best in the game cos despite what most were saying he wasn't and still isn't the best but is getting there.
 
Oh yeh I mean they obviously need to be better. They must shoulder some of the blame.

Stones is a superb player mate.

That tackle last week vs United was one of the best of the season, for example.

He made a mistake on Saturday by playing it back to Joel. I think the thing with Stones is that he is so comfortable on the ball, he tends to forget (almost) that other players aren't. Joel could have easily put that anywhere else though, and Stones wasn't at fault for the goal...

I don't think Joel was expecting stones to knock it back at waist height. Perhaps Stones had the Swansea incident on his mind where he played it short to Howard?
 
Oh yeh I mean they obviously need to be better. They must shoulder some of the blame.

Stones is a superb player mate.

That tackle last week vs United was one of the best of the season, for example.

He made a mistake on Saturday by playing it back to Joel. I think the thing with Stones is that he is so comfortable on the ball, he tends to forget (almost) that other players aren't. Joel could have easily put that anywhere else though, and Stones wasn't at fault for the goal...

He is potentially a superb player. He has proved nothing yet and wont if he keeps making stupid mistakes.

Stones is at fault for me simply because he put the team in a position that it didnt need to be in.
 
his first instinct was to put the ball into row z if you watch, perhaps he should follow that.

not going to criticize him as he's a young player,think the hype surrounding him has affected him this season. good player developing no doubt , but his coaches need to step up as they do with the whole defence
 

his first instinct was to put the ball into row z if you watch, perhaps he should follow that.

not going to criticize him as he's a young player,think the hype surrounding him has affected him this season. good player developing no doubt , but his coaches need to step up as they do with the whole defence

Yup, thats the thing that concerns me really though. He looks, has a think and then chose the worst option.

Passing the ball across your own box should not be something you are coaching pro footballers though. You get told this in school.
 
I remain lukewarm about John Stones's ability as a Centre Half.

For me, he is more of a Matt Jackson than a Ratcliffe, Watson or Labone; undoubtedly composed, but lacking that aerial superiority and authority so vital to this lynchpin of roles.

Yes, he's young. Yes, he's still learning his trade. However, great centre-halves - like strikers- are born not made. Positioning under pressure is instinctive and not for the faint hearted when it's all hands to the pump in a crowded penalty area.

In fairness, Moyes bought him as I recall at the tender age of seventeen as a right back. Whether or not it was his intention at the time to turn him into a C.H. is unknown, but if so, why was this when we already had suitable (ready made?) candidates in our own Academy?

I recall watching one such individual on a couple of occasions; Mark Hughes was his name. Okay, you could rightly argue that merely two occasions is insufficient to judge anyone thoroughly enough, but I remain convinced that centre-halves are born to the role: you've either got it, or you ain't! In this relatively short time, I recognised all of the attributes in the incipient, and I was extremely disappointed to learn, like so many others of his peer group at the time, that he had been loaned out and eventually 'off-loaded'. Often, when this question about John's suitability for the role is questioned, young Hughes is brought to mind and I sit and ponder what might have been if only the club had invested the same amount of time and resources on Mark? Regrettably, we'll never know, like so much other potential talent that's slipped the net.

I think we had Mr. Moyes's apparent contempt for the Club's blossoming Academy to thank for that!

Whilst I believe John can still play a part in Everton's recovery, perhaps in his more familiar right back role or even midfield, I sincerely doubt he'll ever make the grade as a CH at this level. If he's still not there after several years of honing, how much time does he need to become the finished article, and is it a luxury we can afford considering the disappointment of recent results?

Perhaps for John Stones it's a bridge too far.
 
I think the thing with Stones is that he is so comfortable on the ball, he tends to forget (almost) that other players aren"t
Think that is a forgotten point. Part of the chemistry Baines was talking about is knowing strengths and weaknesses around you. Stones will hopefully learn when others are comfortable receiving the ball but I'm not sure he's that conscious of it at the moment. On Saturday I think that pass actually was the safest option in his head, keeping possession and playing out time, thinking everyone around him is as calm about the situation. Obviously it wasn't how Robles was seeing things.
I think more experienced players around him should also be aware of how he likes to play. Problem we've got is that he is a unique talent and if we bring in a centre half that can play alongside him is it worthwhile if we assume he'll be off within a couple of seasons.
 
Starting to look a bit Rodwell to me - We should sell him to Man City, buy 4 more Oumar Niasse type bargains with the proceeds, then we can forget about defending all together and just play strikers in every position.
 

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