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2018/19 Jordan Pickford

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davek said:
That's not the attitude to have. That's the attitude that leads to more derby defeats...it's how we stand at no wins in a derby in 18 games - by 'just letting it go'.
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I honestly don’t think the fan base letting an away derby defeat go has any impact whatsoever on our next away derby. The thing which had us competing in this fixture this time round was a change in players, style, management and attitude. The thing which lost us the game was not the fans’ attitude towards the game.
 
Seanjd said:
I honestly don’t think the fan base letting an away derby defeat go has any impact whatsoever on our next away derby. The thing which had us competing in this fixture this time round was a change in players, style, management and attitude. The thing which lost us the game was not the fans’ attitude towards the game.
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Doesn’t matter what you come back with he will find something to argue about with what everyone is saying. Might as well put him on ignore just a sad person with nothing better to do the bitch ;)
 
davek said:
He gets talked up as a top GK by many. That's the context he has to be judged in. A top GK doesn't prove to be the difference between draws and defeats in two of the (very few) derbies he's played in. His form was chronic at the start of the season and he's always liable to lose focus.

If you want to bring the whole GK union into the debate, they're the issues you also draw into the fray. And for my money we dont have the GK many like to argue we have.

He is and always will be a second rate GK who cant curb his natural impetuosity.

He;s no good for us. We need solid and consistent. Just like all aspiring clubs.
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Would you say Alisson is "solid and consistent" by way of skill definitions? I wouldn't. And you speak about the two derbies, isn't it true that De Gea didn't save a shot in the first 3 or so matches in the WC?
What about Courtois? Currently getting hammered in Madrid by fans who want him dropped.
Kepa is still relatively unproven in the PL. In City's biggest game last season away to Liverpool in the CL, with the game finely balanced Ederson passed the ball to Salah (I think) who lobbed him.
This is the necessary context for judging our GK's ability / form.
Was Sunday's mistake awful? Yes.
Should be be criticised for the mistake? Yes.
Should it be used, together with the other Derby mistake, as a barometer of his ability? Absolutely not, given what I've typed above and his performances so far this season (largely very good).
 

JelavicBrate2 said:
I just don't want a young lad to having to receive all that abuse from the barcodes and it distracting him. I'm not advocating him to be dropped, permanently, I know it's not the same, but I think playing Tom Davies and DCL ruining their confidence. I just think sometimes younger players need and rest and to get their confidence back. However I may be completely wrong and he pulls off numerous world class saves against the barcodes.
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He's made a mistake, it's not the end of the world.

He's been by and large brilliant for us. He's easily one of the best goalkeepers in the league outside of the top 6. He's got to a World Cup semi-final. He's pretty ace generally.

There is literally - 100% chance of him getting taken out of the side. Come on.
 
BlueToff said:
He's made a mistake, it's not the end of the world.

He's been by and large brilliant for us. He's easily one of the best goalkeepers in the league outside of the top 6. He's got to a World Cup semi-final. He's pretty ace generally.

There is literally - 100% chance of him getting taken out of the side. Come on.
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NOT get taken out do you mean? :celebrate:
 
Ring master said:
Davek why are you going on and on about the derby,yes we lost but we do actually play other teams this league i think lol
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Because they are usually one of the two most significant games in our season...and I 'kin detest losing to that lot...and that was facilitated by that gormless Mackem.
 

davek said:
Because they are usually one of the two most significant games in our season...and I 'kin detest losing to that lot...and that was facilitated by that gormless Mackem.
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Give him a chance to bounce back. He'll be well up for the next derby at home and he's the type of guy who has the mental strength to turn it around.
 
Seanjd said:
I honestly don’t think the fan base letting an away derby defeat go has any impact whatsoever on our next away derby. The thing which had us competing in this fixture this time round was a change in players, style, management and attitude. The thing which lost us the game was not the fans’ attitude towards the game.
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Wasn't it? Re-read the words of numb nuts from last night again. He stated there that it was "just Everton's luck at Anfield"...now those players get that type of attitude from the fatalism of fans who simply see this as a spell that cant be broken. That then ABSOLVES these players IN ADVANCE from ever being prepared to believe in themselves and get that breakthrough win.
 
mkrudden said:
Would you say Alisson is "solid and consistent" by way of skill definitions? I wouldn't. And you speak about the two derbies, isn't it true that De Gea didn't save a shot in the first 3 or so matches in the WC?
What about Courtois? Currently getting hammered in Madrid by fans who want him dropped.
Kepa is still relatively unproven in the PL. In City's biggest game last season away to Liverpool in the CL, with the game finely balanced Ederson passed the ball to Salah (I think) who lobbed him.
This is the necessary context for judging our GK's ability / form.
Was Sunday's mistake awful? Yes.
Should be be criticised for the mistake? Yes.
Should it be used, together with the other Derby mistake, as a barometer of his ability? Absolutely not, given what I've typed above and his performances so far this season (largely very good).
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All those clubs have one thing in common that set them apart from us: they have the ability to drop a GK. We dont and it plays into his lack of focus. And by the way, the contestation that he's had a good season is for the birds. He's been erratic ALL season.

He's a bang average keeper. And d'you know what? In all the arguments around this today and all the responses I've had, I haven't had a really spirited defence of Pickford when I've stated that he's mediocre...now that tells its own story.

Forget the England caps, this feller is nowhere near some of the keepers we've had. He's a no mark and will remain one. No top club will come in for that lad. None.
 
The media will have their knives out for him because he’s a young lad from northern England. Maybe we could actually support him rather than join the likes of Merson senselessly bashing him for one mistake.
 
bring the ghost on said:
Give him a chance to bounce back. He'll be well up for the next derby at home and he's the type of guy who has the mental strength to turn it around.
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Not for me. This derby fixture has defined him and his time here at Everton. It'll always be the demolition derby for us while he's in goal in one. I've seen enough of this feller. An arrogant phoney with a thimbleful of talent.
 

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