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2017/18 Jordan Pickford

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mkrudden said:
Even as a Pickford fan, I thought the criticism was justified mate.
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Certain things yes but Neville’s main point was his “lack of communication” he tried to illustrate this by showing a clip of him telling & literally manhandling DCL where to be, him telling Coleman (I think) what he wanted to do with Barnes and then shouting at Williams to double up on Wood (which he failed to do)

Communication is certainly not an issue with Pickford as we can all attest to after watching him all season.

That was the odd part for me, it was like they knew they had a few texts/tweets about keepers & the World Cup so wanted to find something each to have a go at him for. Carragher got the first goal which he’s clearly at fault for so Neville had to find something else.
 

If this is a good season from him I'd hate to see a bad one, think he's been pretty mediocre myself, not bad but certainly in no way outstanding and some of the praise he gets is way over the top. I'm yet to be convinced he's going to be a top class keeper but time is on his side at least. If you're comparing him with our last few keepers then even a fresh Tim Howard who arrived from Man Utd was more convincing between the sticks than Jordan has been this season. I think if he wasn't English and was Eastern European or something he wouldn't be getting hyped up half as much by pundits and commentators so i'll file under must do better along with the rest of the squad.
 
You all know that hes going to keep Hart in goal no doubt, as Hart should not even be in the England squad at all,due to not playing and been crap,the other 3 would be my 3 though i am no England fan at all
 
Carlito said:
He makes saves that most goalkeepers aren't capable of, and for that alone he's worth persevering with. In a better side he could be a genuine match-winner.
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What are you basing this on? I havent seen him make a save any top 6 keeper couldnt. I havent seen all his games, but Ive seen all for Everton and he has not been anything special. He makes a few stellar saves, yes, but then he lets in two soft ones. Not a fantastic keeper in my eyes, but he’s doing okey.

Tbh, Id rather have a fresh faced Timmy Howard than Pickford.
 
bignev23 said:
If this is a good season from him I'd hate to see a bad one, think he's been pretty mediocre myself, not bad but certainly in no way outstanding and some of the praise he gets is way over the top. I'm yet to be convinced he's going to be a top class keeper but time is on his side at least. If you're comparing him with our last few keepers then even a fresh Tim Howard who arrived from Man Utd was more convincing between the sticks than Jordan has been this season. I think if he wasn't English and was Eastern European or something he wouldn't be getting hyped up half as much by pundits and commentators so i'll file under must do better along with the rest of the squad.
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Think he's been good, personally

I feel comfortable with him. Been a while since I've felt that way.

There was a great stat the other week which was looking at the flip side of those xG stats which have been en vogue

Essentially, there were only 5 keepers in the whole league who had saved all the shots they should have saved if that xG thing is reversed - Pickford was one of the five, along with De Gea, Pope, Courtois and one other who I can't remember off the top of my head - effectively it said that Pickford had saved what he should be saving, no more and no less, but that only 5 keepers are doing that. De Gea, as you might expect, was out by himself in terms of having saved far more than he *should* have saved, with the other four quite close together - literally every other keeper in the league was performing below par. So, he isn't De Gea level or anything, but I think we've got ourselves a good keeper. He can improve, certainly, but personally I don't have a sense of dread anytime the ball comes in our area like I've had for more or less the last decade
 
bignev23 said:
If this is a good season from him I'd hate to see a bad one, think he's been pretty mediocre myself, not bad but certainly in no way outstanding and some of the praise he gets is way over the top. I'm yet to be convinced he's going to be a top class keeper but time is on his side at least. If you're comparing him with our last few keepers then even a fresh Tim Howard who arrived from Man Utd was more convincing between the sticks than Jordan has been this season. I think if he wasn't English and was Eastern European or something he wouldn't be getting hyped up half as much by pundits and commentators so i'll file under must do better along with the rest of the squad.
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He's had Wliams and Keane in front of him ? File under asked to do an impossible job !!!
 

Nyhus said:
What are you basing this on? I havent seen him make a save any top 6 keeper couldnt. I havent seen all his games, but Ive seen all for Everton and he has not been anything special. He makes a few stellar saves, yes, but then he lets in two soft ones. Not a fantastic keeper in my eyes, but he’s doing okey.

Tbh, Id rather have a fresh faced Timmy Howard than Pickford.
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If you ever rated Tim Howard, we may as well just accept that you and I have polar opposite views on what makes a good goalkeeper.
 
toffeeblue9 said:
Think he's been good, personally

I feel comfortable with him. Been a while since I've felt that way.

There was a great stat the other week which was looking at the flip side of those xG stats which have been en vogue

Essentially, there were only 5 keepers in the whole league who had saved all the shots they should have saved if that xG thing is reversed - Pickford was one of the five, along with De Gea, Pope, Courtois and one other who I can't remember off the top of my head - effectively it said that Pickford had saved what he should be saving, no more and no less, but that only 5 keepers are doing that. De Gea, as you might expect, was out by himself in terms of having saved far more than he *should* have saved, with the other four quite close together - literally every other keeper in the league was performing below par. So, he isn't De Gea level or anything, but I think we've got ourselves a good keeper. He can improve, certainly, but personally I don't have a sense of dread anytime the ball comes in our area like I've had for more or less the last decade
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I think that sums it up quite well for me. I like him, and think he's been generally decent for us. I just don't understand why some people think he's been excellent and a stand out for us, because I really don't think he has.

He's better than Joel, and better than latter day Howard, but i'd have to agree with the poster who said he hasn't necessarily been clearly better than Howard was at his best, and he certainly hasn't been as good as Martyn - who I think it's important to remember was never absolutely top class himself, and was a little past his very best when he came to us. For that reason I find the suggestions that he's top class, or on his way to being top class, slightly odd. He may well prove me wrong, but at the moment i'm just seeing a keeper at the level you'd expect of a team in the top 10 of the PL.
 

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