Transfer Rumour Joshua Zirkzee

[Terrarian]

Massively weird take that DCL/we have been “lucky” with his development.

Even when most fans didn’t see it and he wasn’t scoring, Dom was playing regularly and had been picked by managers.

It’s no luck that it happened, it was patience and world class player development that has made him the player he is today.

We’re in the top 5 spending wise in Europe, but stuck with DCL instead of splashing on forwards.. luck lol

Brands deserves credit for it, as do Dunc, Carlo and Silva.

Anyway, our record of bringing young players on shows that Zirkzee is a smart buy. Bags of potential and raw talent, but he needs the right coaching.

It doesn’t always work out i.e. Lookman and some would argue Kean (despite his form in France), but it’s hard to argue with our success rate.

I have explained on multiple occasions the use of the word lucky, at this point, you lot are not reading properly. I'm not going to keep flogging a dead horse but I have explained numerous times in this thread what I mean by lucky and it isn't in the context everyone keeps throwing back at me. Please read properly.

 

[dutchblue54]

We need someone to play more across the front three, not just centre forward, but can play winger as well, pacy, skillfull and able to chip in with a 9 or 10 league goals a season.

#FreeJoshKing lol

 

[jazzy]

#FreeJoshKing lol

Having seen him play this season I'm more in the " throw the key away " camp

 

[Carloblues]

Precisely - we have the best young pure striker in the world at the moment.

Oh wow.

Do you honestly believe that?

 

[mahermi1]

#FreeJoshKing lol

You've got to be joking. lol

 

[Martin Alvito]

Oh wow.

Do you honestly believe that?

On results over the last twelve months? Yes.

That doesn't make him the best young forward (or even close, really), but with Werner's form having dropped off of a cliff DCL is the best pure #9 under 25 out there at the moment.

For perspective, I certainly don't think he'll end up the best of the generation, as he's a lot more limited than some of the other talents out there. But he's doing job #1 really well despite inconsistent service.

 

[Carloblues]

On results over the last twelve months? Yes.

That doesn't make him the best young forward (or even close, really), but with Werner's form having dropped off of a cliff DCL is the best pure #9 under 25 out there at the moment.

For perspective, I certainly don't think he'll end up the best of the generation, as he's a lot more limited than some of the other talents out there. But he's doing job #1 really well despite inconsistent service.

Mate let's get it right, over the past 12 months he's got 13 league goals, 11 of them which come in a spell of 2/3 months, DCL is a good young forward who has improved massively, but hes a million miles away from being the best in the world.

Haaland is younger and is a far better striker

 

[Barnfred 55]

Reported

Snitch

 

[catcherintherye]

Cool story bro?

Think he got 13 last year or something? I thought/hoped he'd get 15-20 this year, which it looks like he will certainly get, and maybe surpass. For me a top, top, striker needs to be getting 25 a season. Jota apparently has 9 goals, at nearly a goal a game. I put a ? next to him as I only saw bits and pieces last year, and less this year due to who he plays for!! However what small bits I've seen he has looked good to me, but at this point in time I wouldn't swap DCL for him.

Edit: Also just checked (cos apparently I've nothing better to do at 12am on a Weds night!), and nearly all that list have multiple years of 10+ goals a season (all comps as some haven't played many/any PL games).

Lets talk league goals, so we are comparing like with likes. Lets also compare none penalty goals. 25 none penalty goals has you in the category of one of the best of all time,

Have a look down your list, and look how many got at least 13 last season, and have double figures this season outside of penalties. Then you will see who is or isn't comparable to DCL mate.

Jota got 7 last season and 5 league goals so far this. That was DC level when he was 21, before his big improvement when most people wanted him punted to the championship!

 

[catcherintherye]

Mate let's get it right, over the past 12 months he's got 13 league goals, 11 of them which come in a spell of 2/3 months, DCL is a good young forward who has improved massively, but hes a million miles away from being the best in the world.

Haaland is younger and is a far better striker

He has 20+ none penalty goals in the last 12 months or so.

Haaland is brilliant as well, but look at how Werner has coped with the PL when he's moved here. If DCL played in Germany he'd had 40+ a season. He's right up there.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

Maybe he thinks he has more of a shot to develop and get into plans than at Bayern why not. When you look at Tosun you see someone who doesn't fit our style of play and will probably be gone by the summer at the worst. Maybe we think it's a decent deal for a kid with potential.

I’m sure we do, I just doubt we’ll sign anyone until we make room in the squad for them.

 

[Kurt.]

Snitch

Just keeping the streets clean

 

[Sharpattack]

Mate let's get it right, over the past 12 months he's got 13 league goals, 11 of them which come in a spell of 2/3 months, DCL is a good young forward who has improved massively, but hes a million miles away from being the best in the world.

Haaland is younger and is a far better striker

DCL hasn’t scored in 2 months

 

[Philw]

Massively weird take that DCL/we have been “lucky” with his development.

Even when most fans didn’t see it and he wasn’t scoring, Dom was playing regularly and had been picked by managers.

It’s no luck that it happened, it was patience and world class player development that has made him the player he is today.

We’re in the top 5 spending wise in Europe, but stuck with DCL instead of splashing on forwards.. luck lol

Brands deserves credit for it, as do Dunc, Carlo and Silva.

Anyway, our record of bringing young players on shows that Zirkzee is a smart buy. Bags of potential and raw talent, but he needs the right coaching.

It doesn’t always work out i.e. Lookman and some would argue Kean (despite his form in France), but it’s hard to argue with our success rate.

So 1 season since 2013/14. And DCL doesn't take penalties, so basically your standard is being a generational player. That's reasonable.

As me and @Terrarian have said, you guys really need to learn how to read. But yes, my 'standard' for being a 'top, top, player' is pretty close to being a generational player.

Well to buy the names on your list you are probably talking 50m+, for most of them and also some of them were even bought for such an amount.

Proven quality goal scorers cost big, big money.

Maybe you recall us selling 1 for almost 100m a few years back.

Right. What's your point, and how is this relevant?

Precisely - we have the best young pure striker in the world at the moment. If age didn't matter, sure, swap for Lewa or Salah. But it does.

I happen to think that Rashford is the more complete and therefore valuable player, but he's not what we need at the moment.

He has 20+ none penalty goals in the last 12 months or so.

Haaland is brilliant as well, but look at how Werner has coped with the PL when he's moved here. If DCL played in Germany he'd had 40+ a season. He's right up there.

Oh wow.

Do you honestly believe that?

There's some actual kopite level delusion going on in here. I'm starting to think this is some Forum Supporters inside joke, post some ridiculous bs and see who we can get to bite!!

Lets talk league goals, so we are comparing like with likes. Lets also compare none penalty goals. 25 none penalty goals has you in the category of one of the best of all time,

Have a look down your list, and look how many got at least 13 last season, and have double figures this season outside of penalties. Then you will see who is or isn't comparable to DCL mate.

Jota got 7 last season and 5 league goals so far this. That was DC level when he was 21, before his big improvement when most people wanted him punted to the championship!

Feel free to provide the stats for the last few seasons of all his competitors PL only, no penalty goals. Take out free kicks while you're at it. I'm not really interested in those stats tho, cos a lot of players don't play a full season. Once again I'll give Kane as an example: only reason he hasn't hit 25 PL goals the last 5/6 seasons in a row is because he only played 28/9 games the last couple of seasons. And yes he takes penalties, but how many of those did he earn from situations when he probably would have scored himself?

 

[Deco]

I have explained on multiple occasions the use of the word lucky, at this point, you lot are not reading properly. I'm not going to keep flogging a dead horse but I have explained numerous times in this thread what I mean by lucky and it isn't in the context everyone keeps throwing back at me. Please read properly.

Your exact words were that he was lucky that he had gametime while there was no one else in our squad worth playing.

The argument to that is that despite our huge spending we didn’t spend big on a striker to replace DCL, we stuck by him for 3 seasons even when he wasn’t scoring goals.

This is why we had nobody else worth a place - we didn’t want anyone to take his place as we saw his potential.

You’ve said a few times that people should read properly but I’m literally replying to exactly what you said:

But DCL got lucky that he could play games as we had nobody else worth a place, that isn't the case here, he has to sit on the bench until DCL gets injured or completely loses form. The chances DC L got don't usually pan out, the we want success now brigade don't allow for young players to develop and so it makes no sense as we won't play him exactly the same as Kean.