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Transfer Rumour Kalidou Koulibaly

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Kenshin said:
Because we have not got an unlimited pot of money to spend and certainly within FFP, spending 50 million plus on one player is going to have a bigger impact in recruitment in other positions.

but as my original point stands, what if he doesn't adapt? We spend more on him for example and he fails, like Mangala and Otemendi has at City, they can sell for a loss and move on, it would have a much bigger impact to us financially to have that price of failure at the club.

but as i said to Zatara above, is he that good? no big clubs moved for him last summer and if they do not this season either then why aren't teams interested in this world class defender as zatara put it like, who is available for transfer? Real Madrid bought Bale simply because he was available, no ambition with him other than a potentially top class player available for signing so they put the money up.
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What if we kept signing a team of Gibsons, Cleverleys, Barry's, Williams's etc? Would we win anything with them?

And I'm pretty sure Bale was only available once Real Madrid broke the transfer world record.

Chelsea were/are apparently in for this guy, and to be frank being able to splash 50 odd million on a player is something myself and probably countless Evertonians have always wanted to be able to see because it is so far away from spending peanuts on the usual dross we have bought in the past two decades.
 
killenefc said:
What if we kept signing a team of Gibsons, Cleverleys, Barry's, Williams's etc? Would we win anything with them?

And I'm pretty sure Bale was only available once Real Madrid broke the transfer world record.

Chelsea were/are apparently in for this guy, and to be frank being able to splash 50 odd million on a player is something myself and probably countless Evertonians have always wanted to be able to see because it is so far away from spending peanuts on the usual dross we have bought in the past two decades.
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I don't get this attitude though, we would love to spend that amount of money so we should? It is almost fantasy based attitudes, especially when the whole squad needs rebuilding, not just signing a big centre half and thinking everyone will be ok.

I think you miss the point i am making in regards to signing players. It isn't a case of signing average players, it is not flashing a load of cash and pretending to be one of the big boys with our one prized possession. It is about building a squad not just a team to compete with the teams at the top. financially signing 3 20 million pound players rather than one 60 million pound one might be seen as buying worse players but with proper scouting before hand, those 3 players might be worth 60 million themselves after 2 years and 3 important positions have got competition in them as a result.

And for another point whilst it is still on my mind, why is this Koulibaby worth 60 million? I know that is the asking price for him set by the club but is he actually worth it? compared to other defenders? Or would signing 60 million pound defenders like him be more of an example of the club massively overspending for the sake of it? A bit like bidding 70 million for Payet, he is good sure but worth 70 million? Just because West ham say he is? would we be better signing 25 million player who could be better than him in the future and sign a better goal keeper with the rest of the 70, for example?

( i know payet is not at west ham, just an example)
 

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
So there seems to be a schism here where some rate him very highly and some don't rate him at all

I'm going to assume the truth lurks somewhere in between

I haven't watched a full Napoli game since probably the 90's, so I couldn't really say
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I've never seen him play, so therefore he's the greatest player I've never seen...or he's horribly gash. I haven't decided yet.
 

Kenshin said:
I don't get this attitude though, we would love to spend that amount of money so we should? It is almost fantasy based attitudes, especially when the whole squad needs rebuilding, not just signing a big centre half and thinking everyone will be ok.

I think you miss the point i am making in regards to signing players. It isn't a case of signing average players, it is not flashing a load of cash and pretending to be one of the big boys with our one prized possession. It is about building a squad not just a team to compete with the teams at the top. financially signing 3 20 million pound players rather than one 60 million pound one might be seen as buying worse players but with proper scouting before hand, those 3 players might be worth 60 million themselves after 2 years and 3 important positions have got competition in them as a result.

And for another point whilst it is still on my mind, why is this Koulibaby worth 60 million? I know that is the asking price for him set by the club but is he actually worth it? compared to other defenders? Or would signing 60 million pound defenders like him be more of an example of the club massively overspending for the sake of it? A bit like bidding 70 million for Payet, he is good sure but worth 70 million? Just because West ham say he is? would we be better signing 25 million player who could be better than him in the future and sign a better goal keeper with the rest of the 70, for example?

( i know payet is not at west ham, just an example)
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Depends what you want Everton to be doesn't it?

I dare say a lot would like to see us spend £50m on a player because frankly if we did that we would join 3 teams in this league who have ever done so, United, Chelsea, City - and from a supporter that would signal just how different things now are at the club and its ambition for the future.

Is Koulibaly worth it, well, he's proven in CL and at a good side, he's at his peak age with all his best years ahead, Conte who knows that league and who knows a defender deemed him worth bidding 40+ million on last summer, Napoli deemed him worth more and rejected the multiple bids. And Stones went for 50m as did Luiz, and VVD has at least that price on his head, so in reality, yes he is worth that amount to a team that wants and needs that level of proven player.

As for why we should do a signing such as that, rather tha sign 2-3 20m players, because signing players in that range is even more of a gamble usually, overall all it does is give you a good squad at best usually, you pay for the level your aiming for, which is why Liverpool and arsenal dont challenge for leagues.

You do seem to think the options sign one player for lots and then nothing else though, how about the chance we can do both?
 
bluestevon said:
Depends what you want Everton to be doesn't it?

I dare say a lot would like to see us spend £50m on a player because frankly if we did that we would join 3 teams in this league who have ever done so, United, Chelsea, City - and from a supporter that would signal just how different things now are at the club and its ambition for the future.

Is Koulibaly worth it, well, he's proven in CL and at a good side, he's at his peak age with all his best years ahead, Conte who knows that league and who knows a defender deemed him worth bidding 40+ million on last summer, Napoli deemed him worth more and rejected the multiple bids. And Stones went for 50m as did Luiz, and VVD has at least that price on his head, so in reality, yes he is worth that amount to a team that wants and needs that level of proven player.

As for why we should do a signing such as that, rather tha sign 2-3 20m players, because signing players in that range is even more of a gamble usually, overall all it does is give you a good squad at best usually, you pay for the level your aiming for, which is why Liverpool and arsenal dont challenge for leagues.

You do seem to think the options sign one player for lots and then nothing else though, how about the chance we can do both?
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I have been under the impression we only have a limited budget in terms of FFP therefore we cannot spend 150 million in a window without making the proportion of that back in sales. More so with european football, can't remember how but i am sure the rules get a little stricter again.

Considering the squad, personally i want the squad to grow over time. We are light years from challenging for the title, that should not even be in anyone's mind sets besides the hope that one year we actually turn up and actually win it lol Realistically we have to bridge a gap between 7th and 4th for a starters and outperform 3 other clubs currently above us over the season. We cannot do that with the squad we have now nor with the numbers. This is where i want the squad to grow, both experience and youth, scout actually good prospects, if we sell them all down the line for massive profit so be it, we just replace them again.

I fear to some extent in talking about spending huge amounts that it falls back into the unrealistic and ultimately leads to disappointment within the fan base. We all thought we were spending big, not spending sod all last summer and not sure what this place was like but most of the mates i go the game with were a wee bit downtrodden at the start of the year. I don't believe we are the club that others seem to think we are. I see us no different as we were 2 years ago, but the difference of intention and ambition this time round. The test of where the club is to me at least will be come september 1st and see if we actually have looked to compete or whether the same everton continues under the sad direction of it's former leader.

look i know things are changing and it has been so refreshing this year since the arsenal game watching us on the large part. I just don't see us spending big in the summer without selling to make up the difference, especially when FFP is involved.
 
Kenshin said:
Koulibaby is not world class zatara. If he was world class he would have better clubs than us going in for him.
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Define world class?

Chelsea offering 49mil odd for him?
Chelseas Italian manager making him his priority first choice defensive signing?
Napoli's defensive record and performance in Serie A last season being down to him + hamsik + higuain
Napoli's defensive record and performance in Serie A being mostly down to him this season
Boban and others calling him one of the best centre backs in world football...
Napoli's unwillingness to sell him?

I could continue but for the price you pay you get a superstar centre back...if we signed him it would be almost cheating.
 

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