bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
More than that IMO mate, but nearly all are at top loaded clubs already.
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More than that IMO mate, but nearly all are at top loaded clubs already.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Bonnucci, Chiellini, Alderweireld.
There in my opinion is a lot ahead of both Virgil and koulbaly mate, but both have the potential to join those.
He is becoming the new Yarmalenko
MichiganToffee-NSNO
Player Valuation: £8m
MichiganToffee-NSNO
Player Valuation: £8m
In three years Dann is OURS!!!!!!!!!
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Godin 31
Bonucci 30
Thiago 32
@bluestevon you had Bonucci as well as:
Chiellini 33
Alderweireld 28
There are also others like
Pique 30
Ramos 31
Hummels 28
Boateng 28
So, the pattern here is that the ages of the supposed 'best centre backs in the world' are between 28-32
Koulibaly and Van Dijk are both 25 (26 before next season), could they be the best in the world in the age range 24-27? Could they then be the best in the world or amongst the best in 3 seasons or so....again, probably.
Who was only the new Joao Moutinho, who was just the new Riquelme ... etc
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Ofc Zat, i was simply stating that right now i wouldn't class either as world class, but as you just stated - i dunno IF any centre back around their age is in that category atm, like with most positions to get rated that highly you've had to perform year in year out as a superb level, hence why the best are all in that 28-32 type age range.
Hell even bloody Gary Cahill looks better in his 30's than he did in his mid 20's.
Bit of a weird one centre back to put a value on players though, and almost ironically we will end up paying a massive amount to get a Koulibaly or VVD type in - and the inflation on the position has effectively been caused primarily by us with Stones.
As for the thread though, yeah would be made up if we bought this lad, not seen him that much outside of CL games etc, but looks very good and is rated by people who know a good centre back like. Still think VVD is better (maybe cos i have seen him more) but the ankle injury he has is a worry until you see him play again (especially when your talking about 50m+)
thebluenosebolt
prefer being behind the times
Soo it would be like us swapping stones for VVD or Koulibaly ?? Yes please !! (If we look at it that way)
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
To all intents yup.
Same way if we manage to get 20m for McCarthy (which Newcastle offered in January) - we've effectively swapped him for Schneiderlin for no cost.
When Walsh etc go on about value for money and being cost effective, that's what i think about, basically upgrading various parts of the team for no net cost is what every club should strive for as much as it can do.
Thuck ma Baws
Player Valuation: £8m
Got another 3 or 4 transfer windows to go before he hits that level.
Re the whole "World Class" argument, I think in general there are just less World Class players operating these days now, owing to the game becoming more and more tactical and regimented
Often now it's about finding players that fit systems, rather than adapting systems to fit players
Barcelona are a unique case where both the calibre of the player and the system were of equal importance because so much of the team came from the youth ranks, but if you look at teams like Chelsea under Mourinho and Conte, a manager will have a preferred tactical approach and he'll promote and champion players who suit the style, meaning you can be an important cog in a hugely successful team without having to be "World Class" when it comes to technical ability
Look at Nicky Butt at Man United, no one would ever call him World Class but he was a core part of a very successful side because he did the "water carrying" for the other players in the squad, so that Giggs, Beckham, Cantona etc could provide the thrills
So this Koulibaly fellow may or may not be World Class, but ultimately that's less important than whether he could thrive in whatever system Koeman is planning to employ next season. So essentially whether he's World Class or not is ultimately a useless point of discussion that has no real baring on the relevant area of this debate, which is whether he can do the job for Everton that we'd need him to do. He can be World Class but be a round peg in a square hole (Thus what's the point?) or he could be below World Class but perfect for Koeman's system and thus entirely worth the money
Often now it's about finding players that fit systems, rather than adapting systems to fit players
Barcelona are a unique case where both the calibre of the player and the system were of equal importance because so much of the team came from the youth ranks, but if you look at teams like Chelsea under Mourinho and Conte, a manager will have a preferred tactical approach and he'll promote and champion players who suit the style, meaning you can be an important cog in a hugely successful team without having to be "World Class" when it comes to technical ability
Look at Nicky Butt at Man United, no one would ever call him World Class but he was a core part of a very successful side because he did the "water carrying" for the other players in the squad, so that Giggs, Beckham, Cantona etc could provide the thrills
So this Koulibaly fellow may or may not be World Class, but ultimately that's less important than whether he could thrive in whatever system Koeman is planning to employ next season. So essentially whether he's World Class or not is ultimately a useless point of discussion that has no real baring on the relevant area of this debate, which is whether he can do the job for Everton that we'd need him to do. He can be World Class but be a round peg in a square hole (Thus what's the point?) or he could be below World Class but perfect for Koeman's system and thus entirely worth the money
RFUS
Anustart
You're right in the sense that it's about having as good a team as you can, not necessarily as many good players. Usually they go hand in hand but you have to find the right blend.
That said, whatever you want to label Koulibaly, Manolas, VVD, they are all excellent players who'd improve us massively. So hopefully we can sign players of that level and improve the team as a whole because of it.
World Class = Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Ronaldo, Zlatan, Lewa etc.
This dude is certainly not "world class".
This dude is certainly not "world class".
There's the one that got away. We should have been all over Alderweireld after his first season in England. It was infuriating to see him got to Spurs for £11m while we had to endure the likes of Alcaraz sabotaging our back line.
Back on topic.... VVD edges Koulibaly in my mind. He has prem experience, and we know he works well with Koeman.
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