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Kevin Mirallas

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Trouble maker? Where's the evidence for this? Turned down a move away in January after he was promised a prominent role then the club reneged on that. He was unfairly scapegoated by fans for that penalty at WBA but still signed a new contract in the summer with Martinez eulogising about how important he was. Again though he's been left out for lesser players. No wonder he wants out.

For me he's one of our best players and has proven that enough in the past for his quality to be questioned. It's not just the odd game either, he was consistently one of our top scorers and assist makers turning up in both small and big games. He's probably the best free kick taker at the at the club as well.

The hilarity when we sell him for a cut down price and buy another defensive midfielder to play on the wing.

Oh no, of course. He's a model professional.

I've never come across a bigger crying arse for a very long time. I can't remember too many Everton players who've been as active as he is in the media telling anyone who'll listen that he can get better than Everton elsewhere.

This is one too many times. He has to go. He's a virus at that club. He's had his chances this season to do something but what does he do? Runs on the pitch and gets sent off in two minutes flat. Quote rightly Martinez has had enough of this feller and will play him when he feels like prior, I hope, to his imminent sale.
 


Sure is. Inferior talent ahead of you makes you worse than them.

He's been injured, suspended and when he's come on he's been invisible. If he comes on and shows some kind of spark maybe will get more of a look, until then the bench is the best place for him. Crying to the press every time on international duty doesn't help his cause. He's 28, time to act like it.
 
Sure is. Inferior talent ahead of you makes you worse than them.

He's been injured, suspended and when he's come on he's been invisible. If he comes on and shows some kind of spark maybe will get more of a look, until then the bench is the best place for him. Crying to the press every time on international duty doesn't help his cause. He's 28, time to act like it.

Exactly, he should act his age, not his sodding shoe size !
 
The window opens again in about eight weeks.Until then he should knuckle down to training and try to break back into the team. He should remember that there were not many teams interested in his signature during the summer and that is unlikely to have changed.

At the right price I think the manager would certainly consider a sale.

Mirallas is a player with a good deal of talent, but has probably never fulfilled that talent in full.
As somebody said earlier in the thread it may be that his career has peaked already.
 

Strange one. He's got the talent to be one of our main men, but for the second half of last season he was poor, and this season all he's done of note is get sent off like an idiot, have a fairly poor game vs Norwich and give away a stupid free kick when chasing the game in the last minute against Arsenal.

You could argue he hasn't had a lot of chances, but he certainly hasn't helped himself.
 
I don't blame him for looking annoyed when he comes on. He's gone from first team regular who performed for Martinez brilliantly in his first season to a cameo player. Why? He's the only first team player from last season's horrific showing to have had their place taken. Seems like the club have led him a merry dance and reneged on promises. Fine if Martinez doesn't rate him but let him go if that's the case. He's an international footballer who expects to play first team and is more than good enough to play in ours.
We disagree on the value of Barry to the squad but one of the things we do agree on is that he shouldn't be guaranteed an automatic start based on history from a previous season - the decision if he plays should be based on his general form and whether other midfielders are either playing better than he is or fit the tactics of that particular game better. Surely the same principles should apply for Kev?

Mirallas started our first game for Watford but got a nasty ankle injury - sufficiently bad he tweeted about how bad a tackle it was.

Given his history last season of struggling with an ankle injury understandable that he was rested for the next match, S'ton, which Kone and Cleverley started and both performed well which probably accounted for them both starting the Man City game with Mirallas on the bench. When he knew he was no longer going to be used as a sub, Kev headed down the tunnel which isn't a great thing to do - many managers would discipline him just for that. However Kev was a starter for our next game against Barnsley, where he scored a goal but so did Naismith and the game only really changed when Deulofeu came on.

Against Spurs Cleverley and Kone were again the starters. However Mirallas replaced the injured Cleverley but we played significantly worse when that sub was made, we only started to pick up again when Naismith came on for Lukaku. Against Chelsea Besic and Kone started but after Besic's injury Naismith was first sub and promptly scored a hatrick, with iirc Kev flouncing off again after he was unused -

Against Swansea Kone and Naismith were starters, Deulofeu earning first sub and Mirallas a late sub but he made a petulant tackle and got himself a red card. The games covering his suspension were Reading, West Brom and Liverpool with Deulofeu again influential in all three games and Kone scoring against West Brom.

Man United saw nobody, starter (Naismith/Lennon) or sub (Deulofeu/Kone), perform well so the following match at Arsenal was perhaps the best chance Mirallas had of re-establishing his position when he came on with 20 minutes to go but he didn't do any better than Lennon and Deulofeu got yet another assist. Kev did however get a start against Norwich and assisted Osman's goal which probably jumped him up the pecking order about Naismith in the "what have you done for me lately" stakes which is probably why he was the first attacking sub against Sunderland. However in that game Deulofeu had 2 assists/1 goal and Kone a hattrick which made them both logical choices for starting the West Ham game.

Looking at the above list of 15 games where would you have started Kev and who would you have dropped in his place?

For me he has just suffered a perfect storm of being injured/suspended at times when other players have done well. He hasn't particularly helped himself with attitudes like walking off from the subs bench or the stupid red card - he's 28 and he should have better emotional control than Deulofeu who has channeled his desire for game time into making the most of his early substitute appearances.

On his day I think on his day Kev is one of the few match winners in our squad - he just needs to knuckle down and win a spot back by showing his talent rather than assuming he earns it by right.
 
miralles wanted Champions League Footie but no Champion wanted him now despite playing quite average he wants
to dislodge Kone who has grasped his chance. Also Cleverley is back soon and he will get some game time too so I don't think Miralles will be playing that often. In that case and in bearing in mind the age factor if I were Miralles I would think of moving on.

I actually think Miralles has lost something of his pace and although he is a natural goalscorer, I would flog him. Flog Naismith too. Buy Konalpiko or Gaitan from Benefica or someone who can move us up the quality chain.
 
We disagree on the value of Barry to the squad but one of the things we do agree on is that he shouldn't be guaranteed an automatic start based on history from a previous season - the decision if he plays should be based on his general form and whether other midfielders are either playing better than he is or fit the tactics of that particular game better. Surely the same principles should apply for Kev?

Mirallas started our first game for Watford but got a nasty ankle injury - sufficiently bad he tweeted about how bad a tackle it was.

Given his history last season of struggling with an ankle injury understandable that he was rested for the next match, S'ton, which Kone and Cleverley started and both performed well which probably accounted for them both starting the Man City game with Mirallas on the bench. When he knew he was no longer going to be used as a sub, Kev headed down the tunnel which isn't a great thing to do - many managers would discipline him just for that. However Kev was a starter for our next game against Barnsley, where he scored a goal but so did Naismith and the game only really changed when Deulofeu came on.

Against Spurs Cleverley and Kone were again the starters. However Mirallas replaced the injured Cleverley but we played significantly worse when that sub was made, we only started to pick up again when Naismith came on for Lukaku. Against Chelsea Besic and Kone started but after Besic's injury Naismith was first sub and promptly scored a hatrick, with iirc Kev flouncing off again after he was unused -

Against Swansea Kone and Naismith were starters, Deulofeu earning first sub and Mirallas a late sub but he made a petulant tackle and got himself a red card. The games covering his suspension were Reading, West Brom and Liverpool with Deulofeu again influential in all three games and Kone scoring against West Brom.

Man United saw nobody, starter (Naismith/Lennon) or sub (Deulofeu/Kone), perform well so the following match at Arsenal was perhaps the best chance Mirallas had of re-establishing his position when he came on with 20 minutes to go but he didn't do any better than Lennon and Deulofeu got yet another assist. Kev did however get a start against Norwich and assisted Osman's goal which probably jumped him up the pecking order about Naismith in the "what have you done for me lately" stakes which is probably why he was the first attacking sub against Sunderland. However in that game Deulofeu had 2 assists/1 goal and Kone a hattrick which made them both logical choices for starting the West Ham game.

Looking at the above list of 15 games where would you have started Kev and who would you have dropped in his place?

For me he has just suffered a perfect storm of being injured/suspended at times when other players have done well. He hasn't particularly helped himself with attitudes like walking off from the subs bench or the stupid red card - he's 28 and he should have better emotional control than Deulofeu who has channeled his desire for game time into making the most of his early substitute appearances.

On his day I think on his day Kev is one of the few match winners in our squad - he just needs to knuckle down and win a spot back by showing his talent rather than assuming he earns it by right.

Excellent post.
 
Don't believe everything you read.sounds like the press creating a story and twisting a players words as usual.he clearly stated his main priority is everton.
Eh I think it's more of a case of him playing politics. He knows that he can't come out and say he wants to leave outright because the perception not only from blues but prospective employers would turn to him not being a loyal player/secure asset. He also chose his words carefully enough to invite any bids so I think he is a bit out of line.
 

We disagree on the value of Barry to the squad but one of the things we do agree on is that he shouldn't be guaranteed an automatic start based on history from a previous season - the decision if he plays should be based on his general form and whether other midfielders are either playing better than he is or fit the tactics of that particular game better. Surely the same principles should apply for Kev?

Mirallas started our first game for Watford but got a nasty ankle injury - sufficiently bad he tweeted about how bad a tackle it was.

Given his history last season of struggling with an ankle injury understandable that he was rested for the next match, S'ton, which Kone and Cleverley started and both performed well which probably accounted for them both starting the Man City game with Mirallas on the bench. When he knew he was no longer going to be used as a sub, Kev headed down the tunnel which isn't a great thing to do - many managers would discipline him just for that. However Kev was a starter for our next game against Barnsley, where he scored a goal but so did Naismith and the game only really changed when Deulofeu came on.

Against Spurs Cleverley and Kone were again the starters. However Mirallas replaced the injured Cleverley but we played significantly worse when that sub was made, we only started to pick up again when Naismith came on for Lukaku. Against Chelsea Besic and Kone started but after Besic's injury Naismith was first sub and promptly scored a hatrick, with iirc Kev flouncing off again after he was unused -

Against Swansea Kone and Naismith were starters, Deulofeu earning first sub and Mirallas a late sub but he made a petulant tackle and got himself a red card. The games covering his suspension were Reading, West Brom and Liverpool with Deulofeu again influential in all three games and Kone scoring against West Brom.

Man United saw nobody, starter (Naismith/Lennon) or sub (Deulofeu/Kone), perform well so the following match at Arsenal was perhaps the best chance Mirallas had of re-establishing his position when he came on with 20 minutes to go but he didn't do any better than Lennon and Deulofeu got yet another assist. Kev did however get a start against Norwich and assisted Osman's goal which probably jumped him up the pecking order about Naismith in the "what have you done for me lately" stakes which is probably why he was the first attacking sub against Sunderland. However in that game Deulofeu had 2 assists/1 goal and Kone a hattrick which made them both logical choices for starting the West Ham game.

Looking at the above list of 15 games where would you have started Kev and who would you have dropped in his place?

For me he has just suffered a perfect storm of being injured/suspended at times when other players have done well. He hasn't particularly helped himself with attitudes like walking off from the subs bench or the stupid red card - he's 28 and he should have better emotional control than Deulofeu who has channeled his desire for game time into making the most of his early substitute appearances.

On his day I think on his day Kev is one of the few match winners in our squad - he just needs to knuckle down and win a spot back by showing his talent rather than assuming he earns it by right.

Excellent post. It has reminded me of something from the Barnsley game though: Mirallas had two men on him from the opening minute and despite this he was our main attacking outlet, scoring a goal. When Del came on the game opened up and Barnsley couldn't double up on either winger. They both ran riot at that point, but Del had the fresh legs and so reaped the rewards as the game went on. It seemed reasonable that Kone and Clev started the next league game (spurs) - Kev was just back from injury and the Barnsley game had been longer than expected, so a bench spot made sense. What DIDN'T make sense was Kev not getting the start against Chelsea. Naismith took his chances coming on as a sub in that game, but isn't that what Naismith does best? Come on to play as the 10 or the striker and score goals? He's not a winger.

The late substitution against Swansea was pointless. You give a guy three minutes at the end of a game, of course he's going to go out there trying to play at 300mph in the hope of making an impression. Yes it was a silly tackle and of course he shouldn't have done it, but the timing of the substitution increased the likelihood of something rash happening. Doesn't excuse it in any way, of course.

You are right about the perfect storm - if Watford hadn't grocked him out the game he would have started against Soton and City, been rested against Barnsley and would have played against Spurs and Chelsea. It's not his fault he got injured, nor that others who filled in played well and earned further starts, but I do think his return to the squad was handled strangely - he played very well against Barnsley but Martinez just seemed to treat that as if it didn't count. Given that he has been injured and then suspended, I struggle to see how people can say his performances have been poor - he's barely played!

I would love to see Kev start on the left, with Del on the right. Against the right opposition, all the time our fullbacks are not on the same form they have been in previous seasons, and considering our current injury list, these two represent our best, most creative attacking options. Like most players, Kev needs a run of games, or at least some sub appearances with meaningful time - three minutes here and there does no good for him and does nothing to change a game. Leaving the substitutions too late is a habit from last season that I'd hoped not to see from Martinez this year.
 
miralles wanted Champions League Footie but no Champion wanted him now despite playing quite average he wants
to dislodge Kone who has grasped his chance. Also Cleverley is back soon and he will get some game time too so I don't think Miralles will be playing that often. In that case and in bearing in mind the age factor if I were Miralles I would think of moving on.

I actually think Miralles has lost something of his pace and although he is a natural goalscorer, I would flog him. Flog Naismith too. Buy Konalpiko or Gaitan from Benefica or someone who can move us up the quality chain.

Kono has only just moved to Sevilla. Gaitan would cost £25mil and wouldn't come to us.
 
Oh no, of course. He's a model professional.

I've never come across a bigger crying arse for a very long time. I can't remember too many Everton players who've been as active as he is in the media telling anyone who'll listen that he can get better than Everton elsewhere.

This is one too many times. He has to go. He's a virus at that club. He's had his chances this season to do something but what does he do? Runs on the pitch and gets sent off in two minutes flat. Quote rightly Martinez has had enough of this feller and will play him when he feels like prior, I hope, to his imminent sale.

He said that he wants to play for the club. It's burried deep in the article, but he says he wants to be a team player and to prove it. The other quotes are the better ones but, unlike in the summer when he said he wasn't happy, he said that he is simply frustrated by a lack of game tiem and it is up to him to prove himself.

If he doesn't do that then he'll be off and we can thank him for 3 good years service and we'll make a tidy profit on him. But he still has a lot to offer us and he needs to get the best out of himself. He came on against Sunderland and looked like the Kev of old. One goal and his confidence will shoot up again. There's no point selling what is a real matchwinner in January when we have no need to and no realistic hope of replacing him with similar quality at that time.
 
Can you blame Kev for questioning his position come January if things don't change?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/who-think-is-everton-fans-10424275?


No you can't.

All players should be questioning their position if they aren't in the team.

They should be questioning why this is so.

And if he is honest with himself he will know he is not showing enough to figure as a starting regular.

Del is showing that a player can retain his own zest and individuality while at the same time making the team tick.

When I see Mirallas taking defenders out and getting telling crosses in from wide positions or cutting in looking for clever options with the ball instead of constantly searching for a shot from any angle, no matter how forlorn, then I will know he is at last questioning the real reason he is out the team.

Himself.
 

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