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Kevin Mirallas

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can't argue too much with what he's saying really. I don't like it when players say they want to leave for "more money", but if they want to leave because they want to play footy, you can't hate that. He would have chosen Arsenal over us to start with if he was happy to sit on the bench and pick up a wage. Especially with the Euro's around the corner, he knows he's on the fringe of the squad and isn't going to get picked if he's not playing club football. Footballer's careers are fairly short

If you pick our best XI he's in there, but he hasn't actually done anything this season yet. He doesn't really deserved to be picked.
 
If he could ever harness what he has to a team effort he'd be a real asset. I know there's a list somewhere usually dragged out concerning his assists, but he really is a problem for a team that likes to counter attack as we do. That sounds counter-intuitive given the pace he can carry the ball at, but it also requires releasing the ball early to team-mates to really stretch the opposition and put them on the rack, and it's something Mirallas is always unwilling to do until he runs out of track himself and there's no other option than the pass. He could do himself a favour and watch a kid like Deulofeu who has more talent on the ball than him but instinctively knows what will hurt the opposition more: run with the ball or release it quickly to a team mate moving into space ahead of him.

He's a ball hugger Mirallas. He plays for himself and no one else. He's not the right player for our system. Talented or not.

He is a bull hugger, but I can't agree with you saying that he doesn't suit a counter attacking system. He is ideal for it when he's played through in behind - i.e. not having to be a creative player per-say, but more of a poacher.

I know he got what, 8 assists last season, but he's so more effective when somebody (i.e. Lukaku a few times last year, Eto' against Wolfsburg at home, Gibson at home against Young Boys) plays him through. More often than not he puts them away and can be a real threat to teams on the break.

But, he isn't a playmaker, and I agree that when he picks the ball up in deeper positions, can tend to run down blind alleys.

But that's no reason to sell him. If he really wants out then he'll go and we'll get probably £10mil for him. But I don't think we could get somebody as good as him in January.
 
He signed a new contract in the summer, he says that he wants to play for Everton...then he says in the next breath that he'll consider a departure if he doesn't get his place in the team.

Forgive me for seeing in that statement a player who's out of the first team through poor form and the better form of others and who's unwilling to do what everyone else does: bide their time and take their chance.

He's a phoney. And he's bad news if you're looking for a settled group of players all pulling in the same direction. The time has come to cut him off and bring someone in with a better attitude and team ethic than him. He is literally a waste of money and a squad place.

I remember the Column Howard Kendall wrote in the Echo shortly after we rejected 8 million for Naismith on deadline day, supporting Martinez's decision to keep him and saying he'd have done the same. As usual with Howard it was spot on and provided a level of understanding and insight into football that few fans can really grasp. Essentially he put that Naismith was a good egg and a brilliant squad player.

Kendall always recognised the importance of such players going back ton the 80's with your Richardsons, Alan Harpers and later on lads like Paul Power. Essentially very professional experienced players who you could depend on to give you the same things week in week out. More importantly around the club not causing too much trouble at not being picked, supporting the manager and working their socks off to get back into the team. It sets the right ethos.

There is a value to that beyond what you see on the pitch and beyond the 8 million Norwich offered us. Even when things got difficult at times last season perhaps the one player who never let his level drop was Naismith. Naismith has vindicated that really with his perfect Hatrick a few days later against Chelsea. He is the sort of player who you can bring on off the bench and he will immediately give you what you require, he doesn't need a run of games like Mirallas (or Deulufeu) to get into form.

I only mention it to contrast with Mirallas. Everything you say is true and means that while he may look better on the pitch and have more ability than Naismith, whether he is as useful squad player is hugely doubtful. To be a good squad player you have to have a different skill set to a first team regular. Consistency, professionalism and a degree of humility.

Mirallas has now become a squad player for us and there have to be huge question marks as to whether he can be that effective in that role. I worry he will always need a run of games to get to his best which we can't really afford him. The only saving grace I think he has is that I think he could be very suited to playing as a striker for us in the system Martinez uses and might allow Lukaku some rest time.

Martinez is clearly looking to have a fair bit of rotation in the attacking positions particularly on the left. I have mentioned Naismith, but Kone has also shown a brilliant attitude. In and our but by all accounts a very positive and cheerful guy around the place who everyone is delighted for. Likewise Cleverley's comments are very telling about struggling to get back into the team. Saying all the right things. Essentially he's done nothing wrong to lose his place, but is willing to work hard in different positions to get back in and appreciates that's how it will be at Everton.

I really worry for Mirallas currently. If we got an 8-10 million bid from someone I wouldn't be surprised to see him move on. I'd probably like to keep him on the basis that he'd be a good back up striker if we ever lost Lukaku. But we'll see.
 
Oh no, of course. He's a model professional.

I've never come across a bigger crying arse for a very long time. I can't remember too many Everton players who've been as active as he is in the media telling anyone who'll listen that he can get better than Everton elsewhere.

This is one too many times. He has to go. He's a virus at that club. He's had his chances this season to do something but what does he do? Runs on the pitch and gets sent off in two minutes flat. Quote rightly Martinez has had enough of this feller and will play him when he feels like prior, I hope, to his imminent sale.

One hundred per cent, your view is based on the fact he's European and has a bit of a 'cool' haircut. It's a veiw you would have of him whatever he did.

See: People calling James McFadden out for being a prima donna
 
I would hope he thinks he is better than sitting on the bench watching inferior talent getting a game.

It´s fair enough if he or others think he is superior to whoever is starting ahead of him, but he has to actually show that in training and when he gets on.

For Naisys dreadful touch see Kevs anonymity in some games. It´s not a simple choice of one is boss, so put him in.

The discussion is far too black & white between fans on things such as this, when the decisions on using your squad are rarely that simple.
 

We disagree on the value of Barry to the squad but one of the things we do agree on is that he shouldn't be guaranteed an automatic start based on history from a previous season - the decision if he plays should be based on his general form and whether other midfielders are either playing better than he is or fit the tactics of that particular game better. Surely the same principles should apply for Kev?

Mirallas started our first game for Watford but got a nasty ankle injury - sufficiently bad he tweeted about how bad a tackle it was.

Given his history last season of struggling with an ankle injury understandable that he was rested for the next match, S'ton, which Kone and Cleverley started and both performed well which probably accounted for them both starting the Man City game with Mirallas on the bench. When he knew he was no longer going to be used as a sub, Kev headed down the tunnel which isn't a great thing to do - many managers would discipline him just for that. However Kev was a starter for our next game against Barnsley, where he scored a goal but so did Naismith and the game only really changed when Deulofeu came on.

Against Spurs Cleverley and Kone were again the starters. However Mirallas replaced the injured Cleverley but we played significantly worse when that sub was made, we only started to pick up again when Naismith came on for Lukaku. Against Chelsea Besic and Kone started but after Besic's injury Naismith was first sub and promptly scored a hatrick, with iirc Kev flouncing off again after he was unused -

Against Swansea Kone and Naismith were starters, Deulofeu earning first sub and Mirallas a late sub but he made a petulant tackle and got himself a red card. The games covering his suspension were Reading, West Brom and Liverpool with Deulofeu again influential in all three games and Kone scoring against West Brom.

Man United saw nobody, starter (Naismith/Lennon) or sub (Deulofeu/Kone), perform well so the following match at Arsenal was perhaps the best chance Mirallas had of re-establishing his position when he came on with 20 minutes to go but he didn't do any better than Lennon and Deulofeu got yet another assist. Kev did however get a start against Norwich and assisted Osman's goal which probably jumped him up the pecking order about Naismith in the "what have you done for me lately" stakes which is probably why he was the first attacking sub against Sunderland. However in that game Deulofeu had 2 assists/1 goal and Kone a hattrick which made them both logical choices for starting the West Ham game.

Looking at the above list of 15 games where would you have started Kev and who would you have dropped in his place?

For me he has just suffered a perfect storm of being injured/suspended at times when other players have done well. He hasn't particularly helped himself with attitudes like walking off from the subs bench or the stupid red card - he's 28 and he should have better emotional control than Deulofeu who has channeled his desire for game time into making the most of his early substitute appearances.

On his day I think on his day Kev is one of the few match winners in our squad - he just needs to knuckle down and win a spot back by showing his talent rather than assuming he earns it by right.

I reckon everybody can just shut up after this post, and move over to one of the other threads.
 
When I see Mirallas taking defenders out and getting telling crosses in from wide positions or cutting in looking for clever options with the ball instead of constantly searching for a shot from any angle, no matter how forlorn, then I will know he is at last questioning the real reason he is out the team.

Himself.
Mirallas 24 assists in 7,129 minutes on the field since his arrival in September 2012.

Baines has 25 in 10,338 minutes since September 2012.

People say we miss Baines, but not Mirallas? Very strange, and clearly not based on facts. Truth seems to be that people want Kev gone, regardless of his obvious contribution, because he speaks to the media. Perhaps he should think more carefully before he speaks, yes... but he is EXACTLY the type of player we need in the squad, because form fluctuates and injuries happen. Let's face it, if he goes then that means McGeady will start getting game time.
 
When he's sharp he's devastating in and around the box. I think he's a better player than Kone, just that Kone is playing well at the minute so keeping him out of the team. He should get a start v Boro if fit where he can show what he can do.

Until then the best he can hope for is half an hour off the bench.
 
Mirallas 24 assists in 7,129 minutes on the field since his arrival in September 2012.

Baines has 25 in 10,338 minutes since September 2012.

People say we miss Baines, but not Mirallas? Very strange, and clearly not based on facts. Truth seems to be that people want Kev gone, regardless of his obvious contribution, because he speaks to the media. Perhaps he should think more carefully before he speaks, yes... but he is EXACTLY the type of player we need in the squad, because form fluctuates and injuries happen. Let's face it, if he goes then that means McGeady will start getting game time.


It is a pretty spurious argument if the only reason you can put forward for keeping Mirallas is that McGeady would be on the pitch more.

Because you have very little case for his inclusion in the team right now no matter what your statistics are saying to you.

Better just use your eyes when assessing Mirallas......he ain't half the player he was.

And anyway, thise "assist" stats could and sholud be so much better if he got his head up more often and stopped taking pot shots from all overthe show.

Mirallas is on the bench on merit.

One of either Del or Kone would have to drop out to accommodate him.

I for one would not support that no matter what Mirallas was doing in 2012.

He had done precious little in 2015.

BTW.....I am not advocating selling Mirallas.

I would prefer he stayed, started focusing in the team more and seized his chance in the first team when it comes, as it inevitably will sooner rather than kater.

It is Mirallas who has brought this story to our attention by shooting off his gob in the press.

Again.
 
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It is a pretty spurious argument if the only reason you can put forward for keeping Mirallas is that McGeady would be on the pitch more.

Because you have very little case for his inclusion in the team right now no matter what your statistics are saying to you.

Better just use your eyes when assessing Mirallas......he ain't half the player he was.

And anyway, thise "assist" stats could and sholud be so much better if he got his head up more often and stopped taking pot shots from all I've the show.

Mirallas is on the bench on merit.

One of either Del or Kone would have to drop out to accommodate him.

I for one would not support that no matter what Mirallas was doing in 2012.

He had done precious little in 2014.

Spot on. His attitude stinks. 2013 Mirallas is not what 2015 Mirallas is - his application whenever he plays now is sorely lacking, so taking his stats over his time at Everton is misleading.

He has been pretty poor for a long time now, and I'm happy he's not playing and we're in a position where we can drop a sulker and have the depth to cope.
 

He signed a new contract in the summer, he says that he wants to play for Everton...then he says in the next breath that he'll consider a departure if he doesn't get his place in the team.

Forgive me for seeing in that statement a player who's out of the first team through poor form and the better form of others and who's unwilling to do what everyone else does: bide their time and take their chance.

He's a phoney. And he's bad news if you're looking for a settled group of players all pulling in the same direction. The time has come to cut him off and bring someone in with a better attitude and team ethic than him. He is literally a waste of money and a squad place.

And again, spot on. Move him on in January if possible.
 
It is a pretty spurious argument if the only reason you can put forward for keeping Mirallas is that McGeady would be on the pitch more.

Because you have very little case for his inclusion in the team right now no matter what your statistics are saying to you.

Better just your eyes when assessing Mirallas......he ain't half the player he was.

And anyway, thise "assist" stats could and sholud be so much better if he got his head up more often and stopped taking pot shots from all I've the show.

Mirallas is on the bench on merit.

One of either Del or Kone would have to drop out to accommodate him.

I for one would not support that no matter what Mirallas was doing in 2012.

He had done precious little in 2014.
You took the flippant comment at the end about McGeady as being the main thrust of the argument? Oh dear. I wrote a bit more than that pal.

I agree with you that the current players starting in the two wide positions (Kone and Deulofeu) have earned their places based on form. I am simply saying that Kev can get back in form by getting a bit of game time, and the odd six minutes here and there will simply not do. His past record with us demonstrates that he is a talented player, so I believe he should be given chances to build his form, by getting 20 minutes here and there coming off the bench.

The fact that Kone and Del have both had the opportunity to cement their spots due to Kev being injured (and then suspended) appears to have passed you by.
 
It is a pretty spurious argument if the only reason you can put forward for keeping Mirallas is that McGeady would be on the pitch more.

Because you have very little case for his inclusion in the team right now no matter what your statistics are saying to you.

Better just use your eyes when assessing Mirallas......he ain't half the player he was.

And anyway, thise "assist" stats could and sholud be so much better if he got his head up more often and stopped taking pot shots from all overthe show.

Mirallas is on the bench on merit.

One of either Del or Kone would have to drop out to accommodate him.

I for one would not support that no matter what Mirallas was doing in 2012.

He had done precious little in 2014.

BTW.....I am not advocating selling Mirallas.

I would prefer he stayed, started focusing in the team more and seized his chance in the first team when it comes, as it inevitably will sooner rather than kater.

It is Mirallas who has brought this story to our attention by shooting off his gob in the press.

Again.


32 Games 13 Goals 8 Assists

Precious little indeed
 
Spot on. His attitude stinks. 2013 Mirallas is not what 2015 Mirallas is - his application whenever he plays now is sorely lacking, so taking his stats over his time at Everton is misleading.

He has been pretty poor for a long time now, and I'm happy he's not playing and we're in a position where we can drop a sulker and have the depth to cope.
Newsflash - Tubey still hates Mirallas.

Pal, I too am glad we finally have some depth in the wide positions. In fact, it's quality depth, isn't it? So why would you want to diminish that depth by getting rid of Kev? Fine, he's not the form player at the moment - I'll grant you that. But what happens if Kone's form drops? Or if Del gets injured?

People on here never cease to amaze me. A player loses his spot through injury and suspension + someone else comes in and plays well = sell the player coming back from injury / suspension. Ok lads.
 
You took the flippant comment at the end about McGeady as being the main thrust of the argument? Oh dear. I wrote a bit more than that pal.

I agree with you that the current players starting in the two wide positions (Kone and Deulofeu) have earned their places based on form. I am simply saying that Kev can get back in form by getting a bit of game time, and the odd six minutes here and there will simply not do. His past record with us demonstrates that he is a talented player, so I believe he should be given chances to build his form, by getting 20 minutes here and there coming off the bench.

The fact that Kone and Del have both had the opportunity to cement their spots due to Kev being injured (and then suspended) appears to have passed you by.

Stop talking sense.

The irony being emotive posters are throwing their toys out the pram accusing Mirallas of throwing his toys out the pram. Football is a squad game and Mirallas is next in line should a spot become available in the 3 behind/alongside Lukaku
 

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