Kevin Mirallas

[Tree13]

32 Games 13 Goals 8 Assists

Precious little indeed

Doesn't fit the agenda mate. We don't like facts here.

What makes me laugh is that many of these clamouring for Mirallas to be shot at dawn are the same who hated Kone a year ago and now think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[Tubey]

Newsflash - Tubey still hates Mirallas.

Pal, I too am glad we finally have some depth in the wide positions. In fact, it's quality depth, isn't it? So why would you want to diminish that depth by getting rid of Kev? Fine, he's not the form player at the moment - I'll grant you that. But what happens if Kone's form drops? Or if Del gets injured?

People on here never cease to amaze me. A player loses his spot through injury and suspension + someone else comes in and plays well = sell the player coming back from injury / suspension. Ok lads.

I don't hate Mirallas; I just think he's a sulker who wants out, but waving his arse about for a taker in the summer didn't get the result his arrogance thought it would.

If a player is ineffective and doesn't want to be at the club, and constantly makes noises about moving, then why not move him on and bring in someone who will actually add to our play instead of being a liability?

 

[Khalekan]

You took the flippant comment at the end about McGeady as being the main thrust of the argument? Oh dear. I wrote a bit more than that pal.

I agree with you that the current players starting in the two wide positions (Kone and Deulofeu) have earned their places based on form. I am simply saying that Kev can get back in form by getting a bit of game time, and the odd six minutes here and there will simply not do. His past record with us demonstrates that he is a talented player, so I believe he should be given chances to build his form, by getting 20 minutes here and there coming off the bench.

The fact that Kone and Del have both had the opportunity to cement their spots due to Kev being injured (and then suspended) appears to have passed you by.

No, nowt is passing me by, Tree.

In football the past is a foreign country.

If anything you are living in the past and yearning for a Kevin Mirallas we haven't seen since somewhere around the spring of 2014 when he ran Arsenal ragged.

As I say, I would love him to stay and be that player again.

But if that is beyond him, then let him have his dream move to the CL giant he always tells us he is ready for.

And as for your "flippant" remark about McGeady......flippant ain't your thang nor irony your strong point on that evidence.

Sorry

 

[joey_macmo]

Has anyone actually read the quotes by the way? Talk about an over-reaction

“I want to first of all be playing at my club,” he said. “I’m not asking for a transfer. I still have the prospect of staying at Everton.

“Game time comes gradually. I am a team player and I want to prove it.

 

[Tubey]

Has anyone actually read the quotes by the way? Talk about an over-reaction

Yes, but add that to the 1625 times he's also been an idiot and made needless comments to the press.

If he was a consummate professional, he'd get his head down and get on with being a team player instead of banging on about being one.

 

[Khalekan]

Stop talking sense.

The irony being emotive posters are throwing their toys out the pram accusing Mirallas of throwing his toys out the pram. Football is a squad game and Mirallas is next in line should a spot become available in the 3 behind/alongside Lukaku

And therein lies the rub.

Mirallas is telling all and sundry that being "next in line" is no use to him.

But you chaps seem to want Del or Kone benched just to keep Kev happy.

Because after all, he has three gazillion "assists" since 2012 and that makes him an FM superstar.

 

[Tree13]

No, nowt is passing me by, Tree.

In football the past is a foreign country.

If anything you are living in the past and yearning for a Kevin Mirallas we haven't seen since somewhere around the spring of 2014 when he ran Arsenal ragged.

As I say, I would love him to stay and be that player again.

But if that is beyond him, then let him have his dream move to the CL giant he always tells us he is ready for.

And as for your "flippant" remark about McGeady......flippant ain't your thang nor irony your strong point on that evidence.

Sorry

I'm not convinced you have the correct definition of flippancy or irony mate.

We'll agree to differ on Mirallas. He looked good against Watford, Barnsley and Norwich IMHO, and has been given almost no game time at all otherwise. I suspect he will play a bigger part in this season than you want him to, and he'll do better than you seem to think he can. As for him being nowt special since spring 2014.... I presume you did't watch the EL games last season?

 

[Tree13]

And therein lies the rub.

Mirallas is telling all and sundry that being "next in line" is no use to him.

But you chaps seem to want Del or Kone benched just to keep Kev happy.

Because after all, he has three gazillion "assists" since 2012 and that makes him an FM superstar.

Who said anything about dropping him straight back into the first eleven mate? I'm only commenting on the absurdity of demanding his sale simply because Kone has finally left the physio's room.

 

[Tubey]

I'm not convinced you have the correct definition of flippancy or irony mate.

We'll agree to differ on Mirallas. He looked good against Watford, Barnsley and Norwich IMHO, and has been given almost no game time at all otherwise. I suspect he will play a bigger part in this season than you want him to, and he'll do better than you seem to think he can. As for him being nowt special since spring 2014.... I presume you did't watch the EL games last season?

Can you honestly say that in the last (let's be generous) say 12 months, when he's been on the pitch and he's not arsed, he's any sort of threat at all?

Barkley and Deulofeu can be on the pitch for 90 minutes and still need watching - with Mirallas, if he doesn't turn up, we may as well be playing with ten men.

And that's the issue. The problem isn't his talent; it's his application. He's nowhere near consistent enough to deserve selection, and nowhere near good enough to persist with regardless (like, say, a Lukaku is).

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

So he's said he wants to play more....shocker that like.

If he was sat on the bench taking his money and said nowt, then he'd no doubt be getting stick for not being arsed.

Much ado about nothing..........yet again.

 

[joey_macmo]

And therein lies the rub.

Mirallas is telling all and sundry that being "next in line" is no use to him.

But you chaps seem to want Del or Kone benched just to keep Kev happy.

Because after all, he has three gazillion "assists" since 2012 and that makes him an FM superstar.

once again I refer you to his quotes which totally disprove your first point.

“I want to first of all be playing at my club,” he said. “I’m not asking for a transfer. I still have the prospect of staying at Everton.

“Game time comes gradually. I am a team player and I want to prove it.

You've made the second point up totally which is odd considering your first point is about me saying he's next in line and football is a squad game.

Then to try and disprove someones opinion using a football management game just rounds off what is a totally incorrect post in every which way imaginable.

 

[PhilM]

So he's said he wants to play more....shocker that like.

If he was sat on the bench taking his money and said nowt, then he'd no doubt be getting stick for not being arsed.

Much ado about nothing..........yet again.

It's ridiculous isn't it. He shows that he is eager, if not hungry, to play for the club (also stating he'd like to see) yet he's lambasted by some.

 

[Ihaters]

Doesn't fit the agenda mate. We don't like facts here.

What makes me laugh is that many of these clamouring for Mirallas to be shot at dawn are the same who hated Kone a year ago and now think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

I think Mirallas is boss, and Kone was dross.. but right now Kone>Mirallas.. Both need to stay though, however Mirallas needs more game time.

 

[davek]

I remember the Column Howard Kendall wrote in the Echo shortly after we rejected 8 million for Naismith on deadline day, supporting Martinez's decision to keep him and saying he'd have done the same. As usual with Howard it was spot on and provided a level of understanding and insight into football that few fans can really grasp. Essentially he put that Naismith was a good egg and a brilliant squad player.

Kendall always recognised the importance of such players going back ton the 80's with your Richardsons, Alan Harpers and later on lads like Paul Power. Essentially very professional experienced players who you could depend on to give you the same things week in week out. More importantly around the club not causing too much trouble at not being picked, supporting the manager and working their socks off to get back into the team. It sets the right ethos.

There is a value to that beyond what you see on the pitch and beyond the 8 million Norwich offered us. Even when things got difficult at times last season perhaps the one player who never let his level drop was Naismith. Naismith has vindicated that really with his perfect Hatrick a few days later against Chelsea. He is the sort of player who you can bring on off the bench and he will immediately give you what you require, he doesn't need a run of games like Mirallas (or Deulufeu) to get into form.

I only mention it to contrast with Mirallas. Everything you say is true and means that while he may look better on the pitch and have more ability than Naismith, whether he is as useful squad player is hugely doubtful. To be a good squad player you have to have a different skill set to a first team regular. Consistency, professionalism and a degree of humility.

Mirallas has now become a squad player for us and there have to be huge question marks as to whether he can be that effective in that role. I worry he will always need a run of games to get to his best which we can't really afford him. The only saving grace I think he has is that I think he could be very suited to playing as a striker for us in the system Martinez uses and might allow Lukaku some rest time.

Martinez is clearly looking to have a fair bit of rotation in the attacking positions particularly on the left. I have mentioned Naismith, but Kone has also shown a brilliant attitude. In and our but by all accounts a very positive and cheerful guy around the place who everyone is delighted for. Likewise Cleverley's comments are very telling about struggling to get back into the team. Saying all the right things. Essentially he's done nothing wrong to lose his place, but is willing to work hard in different positions to get back in and appreciates that's how it will be at Everton.

I really worry for Mirallas currently. If we got an 8-10 million bid from someone I wouldn't be surprised to see him move on. I'd probably like to keep him on the basis that he'd be a good back up striker if we ever lost Lukaku. But we'll see.

I wouldn't disagree with much if anything there. Essentially, he cant fully integrate himself into our system (technically or ethos-wise). He's a very awkward player for us to have. Others (like BlueToff above) are arguing that he's an asset and we're unlikely to attract better in January. Whether that's the case or not, I'd say we must try and offload him because the nearer we get to the European Championships if he's still a bit part player (as I'd expect) he's going to be more and more vociferous and disgruntled. It looks to me that's what he himself is flagging up here in these latest comments and you dont need that attitude running riot in a squad for the remainder of the season.

He'd have gone in the summer if a decent offer had materialised; he'll go like a shot if one crops up in January. The feller has made it abundantly clear on more than one occasion that he'd prefer to be elsewhere. Just let him go. He'll be no great loss to this football club.

 

[Goat]

Hes saying play him or sell him.

No issue with that me.

Ohhhhhhhhh Kevin Mirallas.