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2022/23 Kevin Thelwell

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Bebeto said:
Everybody is praising brighton for their success in bringing up players from the academy as well as bargains from home and abroad. People forget that for a few seasons they were fighting relegation every year. Facts are that they struck gold and part of it is luck. For example, having welbeck as your main striker a couple of seasons back was a huge gamble that actually paid off...the type of gamble we have taken many times before without successs. Not sure there is though much room for further progress and eventually they will end up fighting at the bottom of the table.
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But that is what that post is basically saying, It's nothing to do with striking gold or luck, it's about having a plan, setting up infrastructure and waiting for it to come good. The Welbeck thing didn't matter tbh, as the Potter system doesn't really play with a striker anyway. Also you say there is no room for progress, tbh Brighton actually look better under De Zerbi than under Potter so I would disagree on that.
 
Bebeto said:
Everybody is praising brighton for their success in bringing up players from the academy as well as bargains from home and abroad. People forget that for a few seasons they were fighting relegation every year. Facts are that they struck gold and part of it is luck. For example, having welbeck as your main striker a couple of seasons back was a huge gamble that actually paid off...the type of gamble we have taken many times before without successs. Not sure there is though much room for further progress and eventually they will end up fighting at the bottom of the table.
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They had to build their way up from The Championship though which takes time, they avoided the Norwich/Fulham trap of several relegations. Under Potter they were down the bottom end but their XG and stat numbers were a lot higher than their bottom line, they struggled to score goals (Maupay was their main starting striker for years after all).

Since they've been in the Prem they haven't really been in major relegation trouble that I can remember either, not like Everton last season.
 
Simon Buttle said:
But that is what that post is basically saying, It's nothing to do with striking gold or luck, it's about having a plan, setting up infrastructure and waiting for it to come good. The Welbeck thing didn't matter tbh, as the Potter system doesn't really play with a striker anyway. Also you say there is no room for progress, tbh Brighton actually look better under De Zerbi than under Potter so I would disagree on that.
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They will fall back next season...you can have a plan but you need luck and they have plenty of it with those transfers. They don't have to pay the "everton" premium yet, but success this season will change that and suddenly its more difficult.
 
gazzaa2 said:
They had to build their way up from The Championship though which takes time, they avoided the Norwich/Fulham trap of several relegations. Under Potter they were down the bottom end but their XG and stat numbers were a lot higher than their bottom line, they struggled to score goals (Maupay was their main starting striker for years after all).

Since they've been in the Prem they haven't really been in major relegation trouble that I can remember either, not like Everton last season.
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Before the 21/22 season they have been fighting relegation for a number of seasons after they got promoted. Its only the last couple of seasons that they had easier seasons.
 

Bebeto said:
They will fall back next season...you can have a plan but you need luck and they have plenty of it with those transfers. They don't have to pay the "everton" premium yet, but success this season will change that and suddenly its more difficult.
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We will see, they are well run (unlike us) and people just seem jealous for some reason. they pay the same PL premium that every other team does. Evertons problem is the owner and his paymaster have been dubiously pushing unhealthy amounts of money through the club. you need to understand we have no recruitment setup or strategy hence we get stung all the time. Whereas Brighton have and wide ranging buy low sell high policy that keeps them ticking over, their entire team that battered us cost less than Iwobi.
 
Simon Buttle said:
We will see, they are well run (unlike us) and people just seem jealous for some reason. they pay the same PL premium that every other team does. Evertons problem is the owner and his paymaster have been dubiously pushing unhealthy amounts of money through the club. you need to understand we have no recruitment setup or strategy hence we get stung all the time. Whereas Brighton have and wide ranging buy low sell high policy that keeps them ticking over, their entire team that battered us cost less than Iwobi.
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It's well documented that there is such thing as an "everton" premium both on transfer fees and on salaries. We have been paying wages and transfer fees like we were an established European side which we are not. The league is becoming more competitive every year, and we will get I think huge surprises on relegation. It could be everton this year, but could be brighton next year.
 
Bebeto said:
It's well documented that there is such thing as an "everton" premium both on transfer fees and on salaries. We have been paying wages and transfer fees like we were an established European side which we are not. The league is becoming more competitive every year, and we will get I think huge surprises on relegation. It could be everton this year, but could be brighton next year.
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We could have just not agreed, I have zero sympathy if someone is vastly over inflating the value of a player/contract and we still go ahead and then pay it, thats pretty much how you launder money through a football club. I mean what other club would give £50k per week to someone like Mykolenko.
 

Bebeto said:
It's well documented that there is such thing as an "everton" premium both on transfer fees and on salaries. We have been paying wages and transfer fees like we were an established European side which we are not. The league is becoming more competitive every year, and we will get I think huge surprises on relegation. It could be everton this year, but could be brighton next year.
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What you have to consider though, is that you are actually thinking about things logically, where as the likes of Ped and the people you are trying to argue with just think "Everton bad. We no have plan. Brighton have plan. Brighton good."

You need to stop, for your own sanity.

Mike Tyson famously said "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". I honestly believe these people think that not having a plan, and a plan not working are the same thing. And the thing is, when a plan doesnt work, or isnt working, and you get impatient and keep restarting, does that mean that having the plan was the wrong thing to do, or that they shouldve had the plan, just not that one?

You can argue until you are blue in the face about luck, but if our plans were based on hindsight, like most of these other peoples plans are, then you dont need luck, or as the saying goes, "you create your own luck", which is absolute nonsense btw. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, and with it, you cannot fail.

You can replace your manager with Carlo Ancelotti, and later be told that Moyes was the right choice at that time. You can sign a highly rated exciting young player who doesnt work out in a new league, like Moise Kean, but in hindsight, you should have gone with experience. Or taking a gamble on someone who was worth £80m 2 seasons ago on a free, when in hindsight, it was obvious to everyone he was finished and we shouldnt have gone near him. But these same people then fume when we dont gamble on Almiron or Christian Erriksson. With hindsight of course.

I've seen people, including that enormous dope Ped, saying, "Look at Newcastle, thats how you do it, because they have a plan." Like Dan Ashworth has changed the club from top to bottom in less than the time weve had Lampard, and after spending £270m in 2 transfer windows with barely any sales, and most ironically of all, building their team around a player none of us wanted last January on a free (Longstaff) and managed by a manager none of us wanted last year (Howe).

Have we failed? Yes, yes we have.

Is it through lack of trying? No.

Theres just no reasoning with some people.
 
Honestly just think we are skint without moshiris sugar daddy around anymore. Probably ended up with McNeil and Maupauy because those clubs probably let us go for some 5 year drip pay.
 

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