2022/23 Kevin Thelwell

[bluesb1970]

What you have to consider though, is that you are actually thinking about things logically, where as the likes of Ped and the people you are trying to argue with just think "Everton bad. We no have plan. Brighton have plan. Brighton good."

You need to stop, for your own sanity.

Mike Tyson famously said "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". I honestly believe these people think that not having a plan, and a plan not working are the same thing. And the thing is, when a plan doesnt work, or isnt working, and you get impatient and keep restarting, does that mean that having the plan was the wrong thing to do, or that they shouldve had the plan, just not that one?

You can argue until you are blue in the face about luck, but if our plans were based on hindsight, like most of these other peoples plans are, then you dont need luck, or as the saying goes, "you create your own luck", which is absolute nonsense btw. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, and with it, you cannot fail.

You can replace your manager with Carlo Ancelotti, and later be told that Moyes was the right choice at that time. You can sign a highly rated exciting young player who doesnt work out in a new league, like Moise Kean, but in hindsight, you should have gone with experience. Or taking a gamble on someone who was worth £80m 2 seasons ago on a free, when in hindsight, it was obvious to everyone he was finished and we shouldnt have gone near him. But these same people then fume when we dont gamble on Almiron or Christian Erriksson. With hindsight of course.

I've seen people, including that enormous dope Ped, saying, "Look at Newcastle, thats how you do it, because they have a plan." Like Dan Ashworth has changed the club from top to bottom in less than the time weve had Lampard, and after spending £270m in 2 transfer windows with barely any sales, and most ironically of all, building their team around a player none of us wanted last January on a free (Longstaff) and managed by a manager none of us wanted last year (Howe).

Have we failed? Yes, yes we have.

Is it through lack of trying? No.

Theres just no reasoning with some people.

Brilliant! Captures nearly everything apart from the terrible run of injuries we’ve also suffered. Including one that has wrecked the career of a midfielder who has previously been a crowd favourite.

 

[Khalekan]

What you have to consider though, is that you are actually thinking about things logically, where as the likes of Ped and the people you are trying to argue with just think "Everton bad. We no have plan. Brighton have plan. Brighton good."

You need to stop, for your own sanity.

Mike Tyson famously said "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". I honestly believe these people think that not having a plan, and a plan not working are the same thing. And the thing is, when a plan doesnt work, or isnt working, and you get impatient and keep restarting, does that mean that having the plan was the wrong thing to do, or that they shouldve had the plan, just not that one?

You can argue until you are blue in the face about luck, but if our plans were based on hindsight, like most of these other peoples plans are, then you dont need luck, or as the saying goes, "you create your own luck", which is absolute nonsense btw. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, and with it, you cannot fail.

You can replace your manager with Carlo Ancelotti, and later be told that Moyes was the right choice at that time. You can sign a highly rated exciting young player who doesnt work out in a new league, like Moise Kean, but in hindsight, you should have gone with experience. Or taking a gamble on someone who was worth £80m 2 seasons ago on a free, when in hindsight, it was obvious to everyone he was finished and we shouldnt have gone near him. But these same people then fume when we dont gamble on Almiron or Christian Erriksson. With hindsight of course.

I've seen people, including that enormous dope Ped, saying, "Look at Newcastle, thats how you do it, because they have a plan." Like Dan Ashworth has changed the club from top to bottom in less than the time weve had Lampard, and after spending £270m in 2 transfer windows with barely any sales, and most ironically of all, building their team around a player none of us wanted last January on a free (Longstaff) and managed by a manager none of us wanted last year (Howe).

Have we failed? Yes, yes we have.

Is it through lack of trying? No.

Theres just no reasoning with some people.

Great post mate

 

[EuroTexan]

They will fall back next season...you can have a plan but you need luck and they have plenty of it with those transfers. They don't have to pay the "everton" premium yet, but success this season will change that and suddenly its more difficult.

Completely agree. There's been plenty of clubs that go on a streak of finding great players on the cheap, only for everyone else to realize whats going on, and start fishing from the same pool. Or recruitment people that work great at one club, but they then go to another and it never works the same (eg Monchi at Seville, Steve Walsh at Leicester). Nobody has ever cracked the finding brilliant players on the cheap for the long term, without others being able to figure out the strategy, or steal some of the people key involved. Same way with Brighton in that Chelsea stole not only Potter but some of the rest of their best people. They'll take Caicedo next, either in this window or the summer too. Its impossible to keep replacing like for like.

 

[Billy Dean]

What you have to consider though, is that you are actually thinking about things logically, where as the likes of Ped and the people you are trying to argue with just think "Everton bad. We no have plan. Brighton have plan. Brighton good."

You need to stop, for your own sanity.

Mike Tyson famously said "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". I honestly believe these people think that not having a plan, and a plan not working are the same thing. And the thing is, when a plan doesnt work, or isnt working, and you get impatient and keep restarting, does that mean that having the plan was the wrong thing to do, or that they shouldve had the plan, just not that one?

You can argue until you are blue in the face about luck, but if our plans were based on hindsight, like most of these other peoples plans are, then you dont need luck, or as the saying goes, "you create your own luck", which is absolute nonsense btw. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, and with it, you cannot fail.

You can replace your manager with Carlo Ancelotti, and later be told that Moyes was the right choice at that time. You can sign a highly rated exciting young player who doesnt work out in a new league, like Moise Kean, but in hindsight, you should have gone with experience. Or taking a gamble on someone who was worth £80m 2 seasons ago on a free, when in hindsight, it was obvious to everyone he was finished and we shouldnt have gone near him. But these same people then fume when we dont gamble on Almiron or Christian Erriksson. With hindsight of course.

I've seen people, including that enormous dope Ped, saying, "Look at Newcastle, thats how you do it, because they have a plan." Like Dan Ashworth has changed the club from top to bottom in less than the time weve had Lampard, and after spending £270m in 2 transfer windows with barely any sales, and most ironically of all, building their team around a player none of us wanted last January on a free (Longstaff) and managed by a manager none of us wanted last year (Howe).

Have we failed? Yes, yes we have.

Is it through lack of trying? No.

Theres just no reasoning with some people.

So it's all down to luck? You can take any one thing in isolation that didn't work out and put it down to luck, but when they keep happening over a period of years then you have to say there's something wrong. Likewise, Brighton have been moving in the right direction for years. It's laughable to say it's down to luck.

 

[iburntthetoast]

So it's all down to luck? You can take any one thing in isolation that didn't work out and put it down to luck, but when they keep happening over a period of years then you have to say there's something wrong. Likewise, Brighton have been moving in the right direction for years. It's laughable to say it's down to luck.

In hindsight maybe McNeil and Maupay weren't the prolific goal scorers we were looking for, who could've seen that coming, luck just wasn't on our side, once again.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

What you have to consider though, is that you are actually thinking about things logically, where as the likes of Ped and the people you are trying to argue with just think "Everton bad. We no have plan. Brighton have plan. Brighton good."

You need to stop, for your own sanity.

Mike Tyson famously said "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". I honestly believe these people think that not having a plan, and a plan not working are the same thing. And the thing is, when a plan doesnt work, or isnt working, and you get impatient and keep restarting, does that mean that having the plan was the wrong thing to do, or that they shouldve had the plan, just not that one?

You can argue until you are blue in the face about luck, but if our plans were based on hindsight, like most of these other peoples plans are, then you dont need luck, or as the saying goes, "you create your own luck", which is absolute nonsense btw. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, and with it, you cannot fail.

You can replace your manager with Carlo Ancelotti, and later be told that Moyes was the right choice at that time. You can sign a highly rated exciting young player who doesnt work out in a new league, like Moise Kean, but in hindsight, you should have gone with experience. Or taking a gamble on someone who was worth £80m 2 seasons ago on a free, when in hindsight, it was obvious to everyone he was finished and we shouldnt have gone near him. But these same people then fume when we dont gamble on Almiron or Christian Erriksson. With hindsight of course.

I've seen people, including that enormous dope Ped, saying, "Look at Newcastle, thats how you do it, because they have a plan." Like Dan Ashworth has changed the club from top to bottom in less than the time weve had Lampard, and after spending £270m in 2 transfer windows with barely any sales, and most ironically of all, building their team around a player none of us wanted last January on a free (Longstaff) and managed by a manager none of us wanted last year (Howe).

Have we failed? Yes, yes we have.

Is it through lack of trying? No.

Theres just no reasoning with some people.

Good post

 

[nsno-chris]

In hindsight maybe McNeil and Maupay weren't the prolific goal scorers we were looking for, who could've seen that coming, luck just wasn't on our side, once again.

Apparently, a professional director of football with analytical data and a team full of scouts with years of experience

 

[Harryflashman]

What you have to consider though, is that you are actually thinking about things logically, where as the likes of Ped and the people you are trying to argue with just think "Everton bad. We no have plan. Brighton have plan. Brighton good."

You need to stop, for your own sanity.

Mike Tyson famously said "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". I honestly believe these people think that not having a plan, and a plan not working are the same thing. And the thing is, when a plan doesnt work, or isnt working, and you get impatient and keep restarting, does that mean that having the plan was the wrong thing to do, or that they shouldve had the plan, just not that one?

You can argue until you are blue in the face about luck, but if our plans were based on hindsight, like most of these other peoples plans are, then you dont need luck, or as the saying goes, "you create your own luck", which is absolute nonsense btw. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, and with it, you cannot fail.

You can replace your manager with Carlo Ancelotti, and later be told that Moyes was the right choice at that time. You can sign a highly rated exciting young player who doesnt work out in a new league, like Moise Kean, but in hindsight, you should have gone with experience. Or taking a gamble on someone who was worth £80m 2 seasons ago on a free, when in hindsight, it was obvious to everyone he was finished and we shouldnt have gone near him. But these same people then fume when we dont gamble on Almiron or Christian Erriksson. With hindsight of course.

I've seen people, including that enormous dope Ped, saying, "Look at Newcastle, thats how you do it, because they have a plan." Like Dan Ashworth has changed the club from top to bottom in less than the time weve had Lampard, and after spending £270m in 2 transfer windows with barely any sales, and most ironically of all, building their team around a player none of us wanted last January on a free (Longstaff) and managed by a manager none of us wanted last year (Howe).

Have we failed? Yes, yes we have.

Is it through lack of trying? No.

Theres just no reasoning with some people.

Some of that is fair but I doubt a single person , or at least a very small number thought replacing richarlison with maupay and McNeill was good business. If we’d signed up and coming talent , perhaps overseas without the premier league premium they might have had a higher ceiling as we pretty much all knew what we were getting with them .

The manager seems to like to play three at the back , so the signing of coady makes sense but the left back doesn’t fit into that and signing vinagre we did we seemingly brought one in the manager doesn’t fancy as he’s never played him.

Going into the first 5 games of the season without striker cover , that doesn’t take a genius to know is poor planning and then to eventually bring in maupay who is a completely different type of player to DCL seems totally counter-intuitive.

I could certainly go on

 

[Eggs]

….he’s on record as saying he’s a ‘Line Manager’.

That means he’s not identifying players, he’s not even watching players. He appoints people who identify and watch players. its a crazy situation, we need a Football man in that role not an administrator.

Thelwell is symptomatic of the mess the club is in.

 

[brucemate]

What you have to consider though, is that you are actually thinking about things logically, where as the likes of Ped and the people you are trying to argue with just think "Everton bad. We no have plan. Brighton have plan. Brighton good."

You need to stop, for your own sanity.

Mike Tyson famously said "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". I honestly believe these people think that not having a plan, and a plan not working are the same thing. And the thing is, when a plan doesnt work, or isnt working, and you get impatient and keep restarting, does that mean that having the plan was the wrong thing to do, or that they shouldve had the plan, just not that one?

You can argue until you are blue in the face about luck, but if our plans were based on hindsight, like most of these other peoples plans are, then you dont need luck, or as the saying goes, "you create your own luck", which is absolute nonsense btw. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, and with it, you cannot fail.

You can replace your manager with Carlo Ancelotti, and later be told that Moyes was the right choice at that time. You can sign a highly rated exciting young player who doesnt work out in a new league, like Moise Kean, but in hindsight, you should have gone with experience. Or taking a gamble on someone who was worth £80m 2 seasons ago on a free, when in hindsight, it was obvious to everyone he was finished and we shouldnt have gone near him. But these same people then fume when we dont gamble on Almiron or Christian Erriksson. With hindsight of course.

I've seen people, including that enormous dope Ped, saying, "Look at Newcastle, thats how you do it, because they have a plan." Like Dan Ashworth has changed the club from top to bottom in less than the time weve had Lampard, and after spending £270m in 2 transfer windows with barely any sales, and most ironically of all, building their team around a player none of us wanted last January on a free (Longstaff) and managed by a manager none of us wanted last year (Howe).

Have we failed? Yes, yes we have.

Is it through lack of trying? No.

Theres just no reasoning with some people.

I have respobded to your posts previously and we both have differing views on this. I cite the fact that for the best part of 23 years although we may have had several plans, as you concede, they have failed. That in my view goes to the heart of the competence of the Board and owner who have a track record of ongoing failure in developing and strengthening the club.

I accept that there are fans who think our problems are the result of an inability to plan but that is a side issue to the overall cause of our frustration. Current events are taking place because of ongoing incompetence and that is the main reason for current events.

 

[Harryflashman]

….he’s on record as saying he’s a ‘Line Manager’.

That means he’s not identifying players, he’s not even watching players. He appoints people who identify and watch players. its a crazy appointment, we need a Football man in that role not an administrator.

But isn’t that typical Everton ? Our first director of football was a scout and not a director of football , our second was one and not allowed to be director of football and the third is a line manager .

 

[Billy Dean]

In hindsight maybe McNeil and Maupay weren't the prolific goal scorers we were looking for, who could've seen that coming, luck just wasn't on our side, once again.

Yes and Brighton are just plucking random players out of thin air. They're on a hot streak now but their luck will run out at some point.

 

[Eggs]

But isn’t that typical Everton ? Our first director of football was a scout and not a director of football , our second was one and not allowed to be director of football and the third is a line manager .

….I think that’s very true, although to be fair to Walsh he ‘wasn’t allowed to be one’ either (Koeman worked on his own agenda). The truth might come out eventually but the post has been largely symbolic with the owner, Chairman and various Managers (Koeman and Benitez in particular) interfering and bringing in their own targets.

I suspect Brands had enough about him to manage that situation and keep things running until Benitez came in and disrupted the whole club. Brands situation was untenable and it’s all fallen apart since.

Hindsight is a great thing, but Silva/Brands clearly worked well together & the club might have had some stability if we’d stuck with them.

 

[Goodisongang]

I'm sure no other club in world football could manager to get in 3 utterly useless DOFs one after the other like we have.

 

[Blue_Eagle]

I'm sure no other club in world football could manager to get in 3 utterly useless DOFs one after the other like we have.

You know what they say about DOF's mate, they're like buses...