2023/24 Kevin Thelwell

[Swartzy]

Takes far to much stick !!!

 

[Swartzy]

I'd like to thank Kevin for his amazing work yet again. I'm sure Sean will be waxing lyrical once again about his ability to phone up clubs and make offers they aren't prepared to accept.

And that's down to Thelwell is it ?

Or is it down to the Hierarchy , just using him as a face for there decisions..

 

[Tel001]

Spending much of the budget on a 3rd choice teenage striker when there is a clear and present danger of relegation is madness tbh.

I don’t think he knew the budget mate or rather he knew we didn’t have one.

No way he knew iwobi was going to be subject of a 22m offer …. If he had made signings on that assumption and it didn’t happen it would have been hugely irresponsible.

He managed to get Harrison for no loan fee,
Dunjuma for 3m
Young for free
Beto for no down payment

That screams no cash flow/budget to me and the fact he got gbamin out for no fee while offloading maupay and iwobi (22m)

I actually thought that he has done well tbh

Add the sales of simms, cannon , ISS and the previous fee for Gordon along with the loan for holgate.

I think he’s getting unfair criticism atm.

Let’s hope for a day when he can actually do his job correctly , on his own terms and with a reasonable budget before judging him to harshly I think

 

[RomanReigns]

kenwright and moshiri tonight when they realise they managed to keep 100 million this year

 

[Tel001]

I accept what you say there. Given the urgent nature of our situation, there was no way we should have been buying for the future, it should have been for the here and now. The only thing I would say is we don’t know how much of a drain on cash it was this summer e.g, what the down payment was.

Trouble is that buying for “here and now” is how we got into this mess.

Look at all our “here and now “ transfers

Tuson
Bolasie
Siggy
Walcott
Morgan
Williams

That’s 150m that we spent and we recouped 2m for Morgan.

We have to sign youth players or at least players that can increase in value so that we are able to re invest .

I have no problem with signing players like chamiti , especially as it’s balanced off with the sales of simms, and cannon.

If he makes even a slight impression this season he will become a 20-30m footballer .

 

[Tel001]

His negligence in January is a given???

We received £40m for Anthony Gordon - all of it up front if the Newcastle documentary is to be believed. We now know that pretty much none of that was available to spend to Thelwell. We know that because none of it was there when the current window opened.

How he gets blame for working with no money I don't understand. The Chermiti deal involved about £1m up front - there aren't many other strikers knocking about who were available for that sort of seal structure. He somehow convinced Udinese to accept the grand sum of absolutely nothing up front.

Players are being sold and we are told that again anyone he could have signed today would have been for buttons as an initial payment.

The man isn't just working with one hand tied behind his back, he's got absolutely nothing to work with.

Not having this being pinned on Thelwell. I was sceptical in January when he was being scapegoated by people on here, but I'm now absolutely certain about where blame lies.

Using chamiti as an example and even Beto.

1m down payment for both…. Let’s say they have average seasons …. There price (combined could increase by 30m) as in chamiti could do ok and be worth 20-25m and if Beto gets double figures he will be a 35-40m player.

If we sold both …. We would make 30m for a 1m investment… that’s what we should be doing and I agree with you that he is actually showing that he can do a good job in a very hard situation.

 

[DayL08]

It is quite clear we have cash flow problems.

We all point out that we should have bought players a year earlier like Brighton do before they get their move and price shoots up. He does it with Chermiti and people moan he’s not ready. You can’t have it both ways.

The positives are that we seem to be identifying and getting linked with players who are increasing in value like Kudus. Hopefully when the stadium is built we can start buying these players and develop a team we can be proud of.

 

[barneygumble]

I’d say he can come out of this window feeling relatively happy with the workings he’s done.

I feel for him and all of the fans really, we’ve been dealt this tremendously rotten hand by the board.

He’s showing to me that there’s a clear plan and direction. He’s done well to fetch the fees he’s done for Cannon, Iwobi, Simms and also in managing the Beto structuring.

Been done rotten by the board with £30m coming in yesterday, what does he have to show for it? A paper thin squad, a fan base which is ready to turn toxic and absolutely no signings.

 

[Zatara]

....he’s part of the governance, so he has to be accountable. His negligence last summer and January is a given as far as I’m concerned.

If the club has ’pulled up the financial drawbridge’ he knows the spend envelope & spends it on Chermiti who appears a long-term investment when our requirement is immediate. He has to think Chermiti is the real deal, I wonder why SL bought Gyrokeres if they had Chermiti on the conveyer belt but time will tell.

If you have limited spend you have to be sure you prioritise on what you need. We did a deal for Beto, apparently paying nothing until next season. Buying Chermiti suggests to me that Beto wasn’t on our radar. Buying Chermiti when we were buying Beto appears to show transfers on the hoof rather than planned.

it looks an absolute mess. A DoF earns his stripes when times are bad, that’s his job. As you can tell, I’m not convinced but I accept I’m in a minority and will gladly laud him if we now improve.

This makes no sense.

Clearly our centre forwards werent considered good enough. So weve sold Cannon and Simms + loaned Maupay in the hope of a buyer next summer.

Weve then signed a starter in Beto and a player to develop. If Chermiti develops into a starting player we'll have saved £25mil++

Now with those 2 and a DCL who can be used when needed were well stocked for 1 position.

Trouble is that buying for “here and now” is how we got into this mess.

Look at all our “here and now “ transfers

Tuson
Bolasie
Siggy
Walcott
Morgan
Williams

That’s 150m that we spent and we recouped 2m for Morgan.

We have to sign youth players or at least players that can increase in value so that we are able to re invest .

I have no problem with signing players like chamiti , especially as it’s balanced off with the sales of simms, and cannon.

If he makes even a slight impression this season he will become a 20-30m footballer .

Sensibly the "here and now" is Young, Danjuma and Harrison all on one year deals.

Allowing us to bring in 5 players for the cost of 2.

Next season we'll lose 10 players and 8 need replacing with superior quality.

4 loans for the "here and now" and 4 signings.

Hopefully we can bring 2 permanents in January's window to lighten the load next summer.

 

[hashbike]

Since he’s been in, he’s brought the following who go straight into our best X1:

Tarkowski
Young ( would still have him over Myko)
Garner

Onana
Gana
McNeil

Harrison
Beto
Danjuma

With only Pickford and JB not KT signings.

I think it’s pretty good going that within 3 transfer windows, and on a shoe string budget, he’s managed to turn over the first XI.

His only real dud has been Maupay but might still make his money back on him with a good Brentford loan.

How I wish we’d saved the Digne money till we had brought in a DoF.

 

[Zatara]

I’d say he can come out of this window feeling relatively happy with the workings he’s done.

I feel for him and all of the fans really, we’ve been dealt this tremendously rotten hand by the board.

He’s showing to me that there’s a clear plan and direction. He’s done well to fetch the fees he’s done for Cannon, Iwobi, Simms and also in managing the Beto structuring.

Been done rotten by the board with £30m coming in yesterday, what does he have to show for it? A paper thin squad, a fan base which is ready to turn toxic and absolutely no signings.

We have 26 players in the squad. If we can shift Gray and Gomes we'll be down to 24.

Dyche likes a small squad so it will enable us to go for quality over quantity in the next 2 windows.

 

[Zatara]

Since he’s been in, he’s brought the following who go straight into our best X1:

Tarkowski
Young ( would still have him over Myko)
Garner

Onana
Gana
McNeil

Harrison
Beto
Danjuma

With only Pickford and JB not KT signings.

I think it’s pretty good going that within 3 transfer windows, and on a shoe string budget, he’s managed to turn over the first XI.

His only real dud has been Maupay but might still make his money back on him with a good Brentford loan.

How I wish we’d saved the Digne money till we had brought in a DoF.

Next summer 10 out of contract + 2025 6 out of contract (one is Branthwaite who we hold a 1 year option on).

The entire squad could be practically turned over in 7 windows.

 

[catcherintherye]

....he’s part of the governance, so he has to be accountable. His negligence last summer and January is a given as far as I’m concerned.

If the club has ’pulled up the financial drawbridge’ he knows the spend envelope & spends it on Chermiti who appears a long-term investment when our requirement is immediate. He has to think Chermiti is the real deal, I wonder why SL bought Gyrokeres if they had Chermiti on the conveyer belt but time will tell.

If you have limited spend you have to be sure you prioritise on what you need. We did a deal for Beto, apparently paying nothing until next season. Buying Chermiti suggests to me that Beto wasn’t on our radar. Buying Chermiti when we were buying Beto appears to show transfers on the hoof rather than planned.

it looks an absolute mess. A DoF earns his stripes when times are bad, that’s his job. As you can tell, I’m not convinced but I accept I’m in a minority and will gladly laud him if we now improve.

To play devils advocate here though mate, we knew we needed 2 strikers, and that we wanted to start signing younger, less proven players who match up to what we are trying to do. I've only seen Chermiti twice, impressed once at Goodison and a little concerned at Doncaster, but there's little doubt he has much more of a resemblence to Calvert Lewin than either Maupay or Adams.

People have wanted singings like Chermiti, who was signed in an area we needed players.

Our criticism to me, is that we didn't get 2 further loans over the line. A central midfield player and a CB that could ideally cover fullback. That's what we are short of. But given how little of the budget was used up front to buy Chermiti, and that his wages are low,I'm not sure we could have utilised those funds annyway.

 

[catcherintherye]

We have 26 players in the squad. If we can shift Gray and Gomes we'll be down to 24.

Dyche likes a small squad so it will enable us to go for quality over quantity in the next 2 windows.

Our issue is we have I make it 23 outfield players. This includes Dobbin and Onyango, so 21 senior. That also includes Gray, Alli & Gomes who if sold leaves us down to 18.

Within that 18 we have serious injury concerns on Coleman and DCL, as well as question marks fitness wise over any number of players.

I think in honesty we are a bit short on numbers. It's not a squad, like Moyes had with fully fit guys between 25-29 who could be relied upon. What is absolute clear, is if offers don't come in for Gray/Gomes they will need to be reintegrated. The plan may be for a Stanley Mills, Reece Welch etc if they are doing well to be recalled in January. That we try to muster through as best as we can until then, and hope we strike lucky.

 

[jazzy]

Yeah you’re spot on here. Frankly anyone blaming Thelwell, or really at this point any DoF we’ve had, has their head firmly in the sand and is ignoring the mountains of evidence to show what a horrific job he’s been given.

Like you say he’s been given absolutely nothing at all. Look at just some of the deals that we know about and how they’re structured with him negotiating.

Dele - free, all appearance based
Tarkowski - free, somehow picked us over Villa
McNeil - £2m up front, the rest over years
Gana - £2m outright
Coady - option of £3m signing after a loan (which we should’ve taken)
Chermiti - like you say £1m up front.
Harrison - just pay wages, no loan fee
Beto - somehow nothing up front

Legitimately I challenge any Everton fan to look at those deals, regardless of how the players work out here, and say that this is some buffoon negotiating for us or that he’s not putting any effort in. Literally 8 players off the top of my head, most of a team, and in this market we paid literally £5m up front for them combined.

This doesn’t even go in to the clearly fantastic job that he’s done with selling players for us that are utterly dreadful. Even if it’s a case of getting their wages off the finances he’s done it incredibly well. After the Saudi window closes off the top of my head Michael Keane will be the only proper wage thief left at the club. That’s fantastic given the absolute dredge and rot that Thelwell inherited when he came in.

I’m sorry, lay the blame at Moshiri and Kenwright as it should but for the love of Christ get off Thelwell’s back. It’s not the DoF‘s fault that we couldn’t pay £5m more for Gnonto despite selling literally £30m+ worth of players, same reason that it’s not his fault that we couldn’t pay Sulemana’s release clause. It goes on and on.

My initial view was that Kopites Kev was hopeless and in particular that his inability to bring in a striker was nothing short of ridiculous.

However when you analyse the deals that he has done ( as you have ) you lay bare the terrible state of of finances and what he has to work with.

In that context some of his work is very good.

However I remain concerned about a lack of quality cover in defence and in midfield but can only presume that finances prevented us from using our loan slots