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2023/24 Kevin Thelwell

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Not a great window, as we're 3 games into the season already and we will be rushing to get these new players up to speed, but 22mil for Iwobi, that's some of the best DOF work I've ever heard of. I mean, getting rid of Iwobi is something, but 22mil? I don't even like Thelwell but good Lord what a bit of work.
 
We need to get the most of our young defenders like Patterson, Mykolenko and Godfrey. Having an effective Patterson means Garner can move to midfield else I think Garner will have to play RB which leaves us short in midfield.

Similarly if Myko can improve then Young can cover Harrison on the right wing.

We need to rehabilitate Godfrey else that’s another 20M player who’s going out on a free. I’m convinced he’s not got enough nous to be a defender but maybe he can be trained to be good DM cover
 
2024 (10)
Gray
Gomes
Doucoure
Dele
Gana
Coleman
Young
Lonergan
Harrison (loan)
Danjuma (loan)

2025 (7)
Godfrey
Keane
Maupay
Calvert-Lewin
Virginia
Holgate
Branthwaite*1year option

2026 (3)
Mykolenko
Tarkowski
Garner

2027 (6)
Onana
Pickford
McNeil
Patterson
Beto
Chermiti


10 players out of contract next summer and 7 in 2025.

Massive recycling of players happening.

Our issue is we have I make it 23 outfield players. This includes Dobbin and Onyango, so 21 senior. That also includes Gray, Alli & Gomes who if sold leaves us down to 18.

Within that 18 we have serious injury concerns on Coleman and DCL, as well as question marks fitness wise over any number of players.

I think in honesty we are a bit short on numbers. It's not a squad, like Moyes had with fully fit guys between 25-29 who could be relied upon. What is absolute clear, is if offers don't come in for Gray/Gomes they will need to be reintegrated. The plan may be for a Stanley Mills, Reece Welch etc if they are doing well to be recalled in January. That we try to muster through as best as we can until then, and hope we strike lucky.

Im including all our players of a first team status (whether on loan in/out). Because those are the contracts were holding.

Ive not included Dobbin or Onyango.

Is Onyango now considered a first team option?

Its imperative we sell Gomes and Gray to generate funds and cashflow. Next summer is another brutal one for outgoings.
 
Im including all our players of a first team status (whether on loan in/out). Because those are the contracts were holding.

Ive not included Dobbin or Onyango.

Is Onyango now considered a first team option?

Its imperative we sell Gomes and Gray to generate funds and cashflow. Next summer is another brutal one for outgoings.

I've used outfield players.
 

£36odd mill out. £36odd mill in (2 strikers who we don't have to pay anything for a year).

Balance the books FC.

My numbers are a little different:

Including full add ons

5 Ins
Beto £25.8mil
Chermiti £15mil
Danjuma £3mil loan
Young OOC
Harrison loan

=£43.8mil

14.Outs
Kean £25mil
Iwobi £22mil
Cannon £7.5mil
Simms £8mil
Nkounkou £4mil
Maupay loan
Holgate loan
Mina OOC
Begovic OOC
Davies OOC
Gbamin OOC
Townsend OOC
Coady OOC
Vinagre OOC

Total = £66.5mil
+ Stones £2.5mil clause + huge saving on wages
 
We have 26 players in the squad. If we can shift Gray and Gomes we'll be down to 24.

Dyche likes a small squad so it will enable us to go for quality over quantity in the next 2 windows.

Oh no, the reasoning you’re giving is fine.

But the quality was there this window, imo, and instead of being able to operate like a normal DOF, we’ve instead had our hands tied and are an injury for Beto, Harrison/McNeil/Branthwaite from being in an incredibly difficult spot.
 
My numbers are a little different:

Including full add ons

5 Ins
Beto £25.8mil
Chermiti £15mil
Danjuma £3mil loan
Young OOC
Harrison loan

=£43.8mil

14.Outs
Kean £25mil
Iwobi £22mil
Cannon £7.5mil
Simms £8mil
Nkounkou £4mil
Maupay loan
Holgate loan
Mina OOC
Begovic OOC
Davies OOC
Gbamin OOC
Townsend OOC
Coady OOC
Vinagre OOC

Total = £66.5mil
+ Stones £2.5mil clause + huge saving on wages

Kean's went to on last seasons books didn't it?

You could throw Gordon's £45mill in there to total it up since January we've sold £100mill and spent £40mill.

The odds we'll survive again with that spend in the league is getting very low.

It's as though he's been told to make money from players and spend a fraction of it.

12-13 players out. And some said the squad was bloated.
 
Happy and content with the window to be honest.

Did more than I thought we would to be honest. I would have been happy with a striker and two wingers. I was hoping but not particularly confident of getting quality like Beto and Harrison, Danjuma looks good - but he looks rusty to me and hopefully improves. We knew where we short, up front and in wide forward areas - we've improved that.

Flipping:

Mapauy - Beto
Iwobi - Harrison
Simms - Chemitit
Townsend - Danjuma
Vinagre - Young

Is decent incremental improvement and balances the squad, thats what i asked for.

Some of the outs were outstanding, millstones around the clubs neck are gone from a financial and playing point of view. Loosing Mina and Iwobi alone made/saved the £46 million alone. Losing the likes of Davies, Coady, Maupay adnd Townsend, Gbamin, Holgate who contributed or impacted very little really cuts costs - we often talk about our 90% wage to turnover ratio or our annual losses of 100 mill + that lmit it so much - well some of the main deadwood cuprits have been shifted. Lastly you need to look at the utilastion of the academy as a resource and its assets in creating revenue - this is a model the likes of City and Chelsea use to absolutes beast other lcubs financially but more importantly comply with FFP- for the first time under any DOF here we have utilizable and raised significant revenue on developing academy products - its a clear strategy and one that should be acknowledged and validated. Simms, Cannon, Niells, Sammuals Smith, Price all brought in fees - in the window before Quirk and Broadhead did. When you accumulate its a significant amount of badly needed money.

Lets be honest, Thelwell has competing needs, he needs to cut costs, bring down our losses, comply with profit and sustainability get rid of dead wood and improve the team - all with no money. In that context hes balanced all of that and done very well - on each of those things i think hes done very very well.

Lastly i want to mention the limits hes working under. The club is in trouble, make no mistake - the first worrying sign of heading toward administration is cashflow problems. We have cashflow problems - heres what happening - up to this point, we could make 100+ million losses every year and Moshiri or Usmanov were happy to write a black cheque to cover them, thats how we kept the light on - ive said it for years we are dependent on Moshriri. This year the money tap has been turned off. There is a reason NSNOW targeted Kenwright as opposed to Moshiri - they know the club cant fund itself without Moshiri - that why i always said he was the lightening rod for Moshiri and NSNOW were colluding with Moshiri. Its become evident in this window - that Moshiri wont be funding any more of our losses and the club will have to raise fund to become self sufficient - that why NSNOW and the acolytes have gone after Moshiri this week in a new departure for them. Its become clear as the window has gone on, hes selling the club and any deals he sanctioned would be on the never, never - get now - pay later after hes sold up and not be here when the cash call falls due. The club is essentially a skip fire.

That is what has happened in the window and its not Thelwell not wanting to recruit players or incompetency its literally the club needs money to be able to pay the electricity bill and not go into administration. So hes working in the most severe limits and adversity in the league.

When you weigh it all up, hes done well in my opinion and i see the skill, logic, coherence and forboddance to make it all happen.

Its a lot more complex then - why didn't he sign a winger, Centre half, full backs or attacking midfielder, its funny people think he didn't want to - who doesn't want more resources in their job to do it optimally.
 
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£36odd mill out. £36odd mill in (2 strikers who we don't have to pay anything for a year).

Balance the books FC.
One thing I'll say to that is that we haven't sold anyone we should have kept. We just should have replaced them, agree with that. 22mil for Iwobi is gonna disappear down the back of Kenwright's couch before Jan.
 
One thing I'll say to that is that we haven't sold anyone we should have kept. We just should have replaced them, agree with that. 22mil for Iwobi is gonna disappear down the back of Kenwright's couch before Jan.

Of course. The outs have been good business.

The ins are nowhere near boosting the squad and we know where the £100mill of player sales since January have gone.
 
Our issue is we have I make it 23 outfield players. This includes Dobbin and Onyango, so 21 senior. That also includes Gray, Alli & Gomes who if sold leaves us down to 18.

Within that 18 we have serious injury concerns on Coleman and DCL, as well as question marks fitness wise over any number of players.

I think in honesty we are a bit short on numbers. It's not a squad, like Moyes had with fully fit guys between 25-29 who could be relied upon. What is absolute clear, is if offers don't come in for Gray/Gomes they will need to be reintegrated. The plan may be for a Stanley Mills, Reece Welch etc if they are doing well to be recalled in January. That we try to muster through as best as we can until then, and hope we strike lucky.

We had way too any players mate and if you reality test it how many were affectual. T

he likes of Begovic, Gbamin, Towensend, Coady, Holgate, Maupay, Mina, Simms, Cannon, - rarely played or if they did had a minimal impact certainly for their cost - so despite less numbers is it that much of a loss in real terms, id be curious to see the accrued mins.

Iwobi is the only one who was a consistent starter and - £we could turn our noses up at £33 million for him - in fee and savings.
 
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