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2024/25 Kevin Thelwell

As if Dyche had ever watched him play before we signed him. If he won’t play players that don’t have Premier League experience then he should be sacked. It’s 2024, managers don’t dictate transfer policy to Directors of Football. If he doesn’t like it then we can show him the door.

I’m far from a Thelwell fan but on this one I won’t be swayed. He addressed a position that we were in dire need to strengthening in the summer, as our opening games have proven conclusively. And the manager is digging his heels in and playing his mate who concedes 3 goals per game over that player. That is on the manager and he should be sacked. I’m sure the next manager will use the players that have been brought in.
The DOF doesn't select the manager at Everton so we can't say he should have ultimate say.

That's the only way I think the DOF model can work properly but we know it's not the case here, so there needs to be a joined up approach. I dont see any coordination to our recruitment this summer.
 
The DOF doesn't select the manager at Everton so we can't say he should have ultimate say.

That's the only way I think the DOF model can work IMO but we know it's not the case here, so there needs to be a joined up approach. I dont see any coordination to our recruitment this summer.

Personally I’m glad we didn’t go down the route of bringing all Dyche’s old mates from Burnley back like Brownhill and Charlie Taylor and the likes. We already bent over and compromised too much by allowing him to extend Ashley Young’s contract. I’ll certainly criticise Thelwell on that one, he should’ve stood up to the manager and laughed in his face at the suggestion of even bringing him into the club.

If he doesn’t like the DOF model then he is more than welcome to show himself the door.
 
Personally I’m glad we didn’t go down the route of bringing all Dyche’s old mates from Burnley back like Brownhill and Charlie Taylor and the likes. If he doesn’t like the DOF model then he is more than welcome to show himself the door.
I'm not criticising just Thelwell for recruitment. I'm strongly criticising the structures and processes put in place by the club because they are working terribly and our recruitment is a complete mess.

I wouldn't want to be Everton DOF because you aren't put in a position to succeed.
 
It’s not the position, it’s the money Mike. Thought it was pretty obvious from my post.

With every game that passes it’s looking more like it was a priority position to address though to me mert.

Last season we basically survived because of our centre back partnership. This season one of those has been injured and the other looks completely shot. I never rated Tarkowski massively highly anyway but now he looks a shadow of even his usual average self.
 

With every game that passes it’s looking more like it was a priority position to address though to me mert.

Last season we basically survived because of our centre back partnership. This season one of those has been injured and the other looks completely shot. I never rated Tarkowski massively highly anyway but now he looks a shadow of even his usual average self.

You can get a centre half that’s better than Michael Keane that doesn’t use up the entire rest of our budget.
 
Not having this tbh. Buy players the coach wants or sack him. If you can’t do this then leave. Don’t sign players he doesn’t want.
Simple logic - He can’t sign players Dyche doesn’t want can he, otherwise he’d have signed some of the 8 Dyche turned down!! Both parties have to sign off on buying players. As I said Dyche is the problem, he won’t even play players he’s agreed to sign! FFS He prefers players who’s he previously told have no future at the club.
 
….the fact you pay nothing up front doesn’t make it a good deal when you acquire dross.

Just sign good footballers, it’s not rocket science even with limited spend. I hope everybody is right about Chermiti, but I’d swap him in an instant for Duran.
Yeah so would we all, but the manager has to sign off on the players being signed as well. The problem in all of this is not letting the DOF select the manager. If we’d have done this we most probably wouldn’t have signed some of the players we have. We also wouldn’t have Dyche & we’d have Arteta as the the manager.
 
We can rate him based on the fact he’s bought Beto, Maupay as attacking options; leaving us with no left back, 2 right fullbacks with a combined age of 70 and decided the small amount of money we had was better used in centre back that the manager has no intention of playing
He didn’t sign Maupay FFS, Kenwright & Moshiri did that. The manager signed off on buying O’Brien. The only person to blame for not playing him is Dyche.
 
Then how did we end up spending half our budget on a 4th choice centre back? If the leaks are true then Dyche isn't afraid to be honest about a target along the lines of he looks crap or I won't use him. So they nust have all agreed Obrien looked good and something has changed, or it's a meddling would be owner Textor palming off players to us.

There's no way the all got together and said yeah let's spend all our money on a fella but don't worry about it Sean, you can still play Keane ahead of him for the first 6 months
You’d be right apart from Dyche preference for bedding players in slowly & favouring Premier League experience. If Dyche’s judgement isn’t questionable then you’d have to tell us why he played Keane for 10 games & didn’t win one of them whilst leaving a fit Yerry Mina on the bench.
 

This summer showed why the DOF model doesn't work.

We spent the remainder of our budget on another defender. Even though we were desperate in other positions. And the manager prefers Keane at centre half anyway.

This is a ridiculous situation. Our recruitment just cannot be defended under Thelwell.

Ok so let's say we don't have Thelwell, you're left with Dyche signing players or you want Moshiri doing it mate?

How on earth do you think that would be any solution?

Don't you realise the absolute mess the club's in squad eyes is a direct result of owners and managers bringing in players they personally want.

Manager changes next guy doesn't want any who came in and brings in more.

You think without Thelwell we sign either Tim or Ndiaye?

I can guarantee we wouldn't, instead we'd us e brought in Philips on a loan, signed Trippier on a 4-5 year deal, and signed sone cart horse up front who 'suits Dyches system'.

Not sure why you don't realise this.

Or different take, how often under Moyes did we have a genuine top striker that you seem to think we missed out on getting because of having a DoF.

Never had a DoF under Moyes, had out of his ten years here maybe 2 with a striker you could say out performs DCL (Johnson 'maybe' and yak for one season)
 
DoF buys everyone; if he didn’t agree he knows where the door is

Mate what world do you live in when people resign on very an owner buying a player above them.

It's happened to even the very best DoFs.

If you quit over something like that you'd end up never being hired again after a whilst.

Funny though as wonder if you had a job with a certain responsibility and the owner occasionally drops by and does part of that work himself, if you'd suddenly quit over it...
 
Mate what world do you live in when people resign on very an owner buying a player above them.

It's happened to even the very best DoFs.

If you quit over something like that you'd end up never being hired again after a whilst.

Funny though as wonder if you had a job with a certain responsibility and the owner occasionally drops by and does part of that work himself, if you'd suddenly quit over it...
Brands took 3 years of that though - at a certain point if you're constantly and frustratingly jumped over and not allowed to do your job then, yes, you'd leave.

If a manager was hired who doesn't want or fit the DoF role model and we have a DoF who's trying to get players of a certain quality - what's the point of the DoF trying to do his job? We're currently seeing exactly that - Dyche doesn't like certain players because he's a stubborn idiot. No doubt some of those will, like always, go on to be very good somewhere else and then the news of "he was a transfer target/trialist at Everton and they rejected him" will start appearing. Not every single one works out, but even for Brands (for whom the consensus is that his tenure was crap) - he's left us with Branthwaite and several other purchases, while being very vocal about some of the bigger "name" signings not being his decisions and I'm willing to believe this honestly as the trend is exactly the same but with Thelwell.

Not even that Big Nose is some fantastic DoF or anything, but this is not a good structure to actually progress and I honestly don't see Thelwell wanting to stay much longer, unless he has a better outline for the future and/or was promised more actual control over things.
 
Brands took 3 years of that though - at a certain point if you're constantly and frustratingly jumped over and not allowed to do your job then, yes, you'd leave.

If a manager was hired who doesn't want or fit the DoF role model and we have a DoF who's trying to get players of a certain quality - what's the point of the DoF trying to do his job? We're currently seeing exactly that - Dyche doesn't like certain players because he's a stubborn idiot. No doubt some of those will, like always, go on to be very good somewhere else and then the news of "he was a transfer target/trialist at Everton and they rejected him" will start appearing. Not every single one works out, but even for Brands (for whom the consensus is that his tenure was crap) - he's left us with Branthwaite and several other purchases, while being very vocal about some of the bigger "name" signings not being his decisions and I'm willing to believe this honestly as the trend is exactly the same but with Thelwell.

Not even that Big Nose is some fantastic DoF or anything, but this is not a good structure to actually progress and I honestly don't see Thelwell wanting to stay much longer, unless he has a better outline for the future and/or was promised more actual control over things.

Thelwell should leave if one thing happens. The next choice of manager has to be either directly his or one he is full agreement with if it's the owners choice.

I disagree on one part, I think Thelwell is actually a very good DoF mate. Why,, just by analysing the resources he has and the massive obstacles he had to overcome. I'll list what I think he's done very well.

First thing he did was get rid of Unsworth and the group of former players milking a living in the academy setup. Since then we've seen progress being made in the types of young lads we are bringing in and former decisions made on if they'll cut the mustard or not (few are doing the Pennington thing of being a academy player in their mid 20s still nowadays).

Lowered the wave bill hugely, a lot of that by the hard choice of biting the bullet and letting contracts expire, also been decent at getting them loaned out to somewhat mitigate the losses and sold ones whose wages weren't effectively blocking any sale.

Recruited in general younger players with potential to improve or ones who'd had a dip season. Avoided any long term contracts on older players, and spent almost nothing on players with no resale value due to their age.

Negatives
So e of his signings or 'renewed contracts' have been on the surface very debatable.
I'll list the 5 I class as dodgy and the possible reason why the surface view isn't the full picture.
Beto - DCL was injured we had no other CF going into the season, we had zero money whatsoever, Udinese where the only team willing to sanction a sake of a 'proven' scorer to us, in hindsight DCL stayed fit and Beto looked unnecessary, but if DCL had broken down we'd have needed Beto massively.
Overall though not a good buy - very much a desperation needs must one.

Maupay - just horrible, no arguing. Supposedly was imposed on him from Moshiri, guess the best we can say is he shipped him out on loan and then sold him again mitigating the costs a lot, bad buy, good recouping of the expenses.

Doucoure contracts extension, yeah don't like it, obviously a case of not wanting what was a key player to leave the team when we couldn't replace him, stands out as the one bloated contract we didn't let expire - thankfully he's gone next summer, can see why he was extended though as ges been a regular starter under everyone bar Frank.

Coleman extension - don't like, only excuse is he's an extra body in the position. Overall this seasons was a mistake to give him an extension.

Young - free and then extended.
As a one-year stop gap for a new manager getting in someone he knew and wanted, not gonna moan too much, but having had him a season and seeing how bad he'd faded too, giving him another season was a terrible choice.

Not fixing certain obvious positional needs, pacey winger, right back, left back

Winger - tried his hardest, probably the position we've been closest to getting in over the last two seasons, problem is the way we have to finance desks leaves us open to getting gazzunped, mongo, Prighones being two obvious cases, Gnoto fell down due to financing also.
Right back - obvious to me we've kicked the can down the road repeatedly, I'm guessing we've tried to make stop gaps work hoping Patterson finally gets and stays healthy and/or Dixon develops to take that roll. Problem being both senior right backs have hit the wall and are not fit to task. Funny thing though a new manager could come in play Dixon, get Patterson back in the squad and we could end up wondering why it was regarded as such an issue (maybe the solution is already there)

Left back - simply haven't got the money to buy a backup there - getting highlighted more as Myko looks worryingly like he's starting to physically break down.
 

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