2017/18 Kieran Dowell

[catcherintherye]

It's funny really, as with certain young players I am more critical than most (Kenny + Lookman). With others I seem to be more praiseworthy.

Dowell is a classic luxury player, but at every level seems very adept at creating opportunities for players. I think he'd have been perfect for Lukaku and could be very good for Tosun. As always a lot will depend on the type of manager we employ. An attack minded coach like Fonseca, may view him as similar to how Martinez did with Barkley, where he was brought in from the fringes and made very central to how we played.

In many ways Barkley had a more sparkling career at the same stage, but in other ways none of his loan spells were as productive as Dowell's has been at Forest (Barkley basically flopped).

 

[Goat]

I'm not sure why some posters are saying Dowell isn't motivated?

He's played practically every match for Forest before their new manager shored up their defence and shunted him to the left wing (where hes never played before)...forest fans have been saying he looked knackered but they needed him in the team

Clearly if he can play this many games in the championship he can come into a match day squad for us and rotate for 20 games a season.

Kenny, Dowell, DCL, Davies and Vlasic should all be rotated in/out next season and Lookman and Holgate should be starting most games.

20 games a season?

 

[Zatara]

I really like Maddison from what I have seen and would be very happy yo see him come in. It does raise an interesting question re Dowell though, most notably if Madisson is worth 25 million then why would we let Dowell leave for a nominal fee? Their figures are very similar and in open play Dowell is probably even better.

Was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday

 

[Zatara]

20 games a season?

Not all full matches...off the bench for the most part.

 

[Coggy]

This isn't as far away from the truth as you may think. In my memory it's by far the best collective of young players that we've ever had at Everton. We've had better individuals maybe in Rooney and arguably Barkley, but never a group like this. We had 5 in the U20 world cup winning squad, 4 of whom started the final. How many clubs (around the world) can boast this fact in their history. I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was none. And this season we've had 6 players consistently picked for the U21s, plus Vlasic who has been included in the Croatia full squad before Allardyce stopped playing him. I don't know the stats but I don't think that there can be many clubs, if any, across the top 5 leagues in Europe, that have given as many starts to as many players in the 18/21 age group in this current season. or in any of the last 10/20 seasons for that matter.

Nobody is saying that they should all be regular starters next season, although I would argue that Holgate is probably one that should be. What we are saying is that they should have a place in the squad, starting certain games and being introduced from the bench in others. Rotated properly with the view to giving them all the individual game time they need to develop. There's a togetherness about them that is clearly evident and I haven't seen that consistently in an Everton team for a long long time. If we can somehow develop them so in 2/3 years time many of them are regular starters, I reckon we will then have a team challenging the top 4.

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity that we have right now. I doubt we'll ever be in this position as a club again. Which is why our new manager has to be one that is not just prepared to develop young players, but has it as one of his priorities.

I concur entirely.
I am grateful that Moshiri made the correct decision to save this season.
We now need to decide which forward looking coach can bring these young players forward, and make us attractive to the new targets.
Sorry Mr Moshiri , they have wasted tons of your dosh !

 

[macdog]

Interesting comments on Wolves here. Personally I have been impressed by their organisation and determination thus far.
If they continue in the same vein next season and beyond I can personally see them establishing themselves among the elite clubs at the top of table, the result of which will be to remove that last European place out of reach of the rest of us.
This will in turn leave the remaining rump with little to play for apart from pride, avoiding relegation and hoping for a decent run in the increasingly devalued knock out cups.
On Dowell, he has continued to show the same talents and flaws on loan as he did before. He is still at this point a long way off becoming an established top league player.

Good sense here. We have been lucky with so much crud below us, but we could find ourselves disadvantaged against newcomers who are far better organised and professional than we are.

 

[longers]

Is he injured at the moment ? Isn't even on the bench for todays game.

 

[wembley84]

Cant get on the bench for a championship side yet he would have torn the premier league apart in a poor everton side lacking in confidence this season had he stayed.

Mad how managers / coaches etc who have been in the pro game all their lives may know a bit more than someone who has seen the kid score a couple of blammo's on youtube.

 

[mightymoyes]

Cant get on the bench for a championship side yet he would have torn the premier league apart in a poor everton side lacking in confidence this season had he stayed.

Mad how managers / coaches etc who have been in the pro game all their lives may know a bit more than someone who has seen the kid score a couple of blammo's on youtube.

good one. hes injured, missed the 2nd u21 game during the week too

 

[Eggs]

Is he injured at the moment ? Isn't even on the bench for todays game.

..yep, out with an injury today.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Is he injured at the moment ? Isn't even on the bench for todays game.

Possibly. He wasn't on the subs bench for the U21s against Ukraine.

 

[mightymoyes]

Possibly. He wasn't on the subs bench for the U21s against Ukraine.

yeh the previews said he picked up a knock on england duty

 

[Bluebonic]

This isn't as far away from the truth as you may think. In my memory it's by far the best collective of young players that we've ever had at Everton. We've had better individuals maybe in Rooney and arguably Barkley, but never a group like this. We had 5 in the U20 world cup winning squad, 4 of whom started the final. How many clubs (around the world) can boast this fact in their history. I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was none. And this season we've had 6 players consistently picked for the U21s, plus Vlasic who has been included in the Croatia full squad before Allardyce stopped playing him. I don't know the stats but I don't think that there can be many clubs, if any, across the top 5 leagues in Europe, that have given as many starts to as many players in the 18/21 age group in this current season. or in any of the last 10/20 seasons for that matter.

Nobody is saying that they should all be regular starters next season, although I would argue that Holgate is probably one that should be. What we are saying is that they should have a place in the squad, starting certain games and being introduced from the bench in others. Rotated properly with the view to giving them all the individual game time they need to develop. There's a togetherness about them that is clearly evident and I haven't seen that consistently in an Everton team for a long long time. If we can somehow develop them so in 2/3 years time many of them are regular starters, I reckon we will then have a team challenging the top 4.

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity that we have right now. I doubt we'll ever be in this position as a club again. Which is why our new manager has to be one that is not just prepared to develop young players, but has it as one of his priorities.

It would have been 6 if Tom Davies hadnt been playing for the first team!

 

[Stephenlloyd]

It would have been 6 if Tom Davies hadnt been playing for the first team!

Liam Walsh was going to get picked, but broke a bone in his foot.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It would have been 6 if Tom Davies hadnt been playing for the first team!

It would have been 6 had Liam Walsh not broken a bone in his foot as he was included in the original squad.

Had the F A not agreed that Tom Davies be rested he would have captained the U19s that won the euros.