Last Film You Watched

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

A fish called Wanda.

NEA

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I gotta stop you right there.

Oh by all means mate, I've got time to prove you completely and utter wrong again....

1. Things that are very entertaining make money.

This is so painfully untrue that I wouldn't even know how to do the subject justice. The Last three odd Jurassic park movies, all the transformers movies, Spiderman 3, and Avatar clearly demonstrate without going into to much detail that you're completely and utterly wrong about "Very entertaining" things making money.

2. DC and Warner Bros was making money off Batman and Superman for the last 40 years, long before the MCU.

I'm not sure what your point is mate? We're talking about the success of the shared universe which was a game changer. Warner Bros/DC simply cannot compete with that after leaving Marvel with a decade head start. Imo they should ignore the shared universe thing entirely and focus on telling great standalone stories told in single movies or over a triolgy without as much concern to continuity and more focus on the quality of the story being told. Like the battles comic wise in the 80's all over again, marvel have created a machine that fans just consume but years from now when all's said and done people won't remember or think very highly of. Just like then DC need to accept that they won't win a head to head battle initially but they can win overall by focusing on making and telling great stories in their movies that people will buy over and over again for decades in the latest repackaged format.

3. If Captain Marvel was a DC film and it was exactly the same thing but with Blue Beetle or Aztek or Animal Man or whoever, I would still walk away going geez that was an entertaining film, I enjoyed that. DC have taken a cheesier, lower quality route - and the complete failure of isn't down to some inner hatred, is becasue there is a clear difference in quality, style and substance of the films that is so obvious. The Dark Knight was a commercial and critical success because it was a brilliant film. The DCEU is a complete cinematic failure becuase there is no singular creative vision behind it. It's a mess and has always been since they hitched it to Zack Synders Pop Gun Direction.

You might do so (somehow I doubt it though) but the overwhelming majority of the MCU zombie/fanboy audience wouldn't. DC or more importantly Warner Bros have made the mistake of trying to copy Marvels formula of the shared universe as people have pointed out, without the build up. That was a mistake but let's be clear here, out of the six DCEU movies made so far the three standalone movies (Man Of Steel, wonder woman and Aquaman) were just as good, if not better then more then most of the MCU. Dark Knight was pre MCU boom (not pre MCU alltoghter, but pre boom period), now it would get slagged off by critics and fanboys alike regardless of its obvious quality as would Watchman which is another movie head and shoulders above anything in the MCU. As I said before, this obsession with a single creative vision is were we will have to differ because imo DC will never compete at that game and so should be focusing on telling great standalone movies without the same shared universe stick. Finally, The DCEU is not a failure if we accept your logic about money made being the indicator of quality and success as you suggested earlier in your post because as you can see......

4. I think the MCU is clearly cyclical, and will follow the comic idiom of birth, life death and re-birth completely. That's what makes it compelling.

All stories told in Books, Comics, TV and movies do this to some degree though, this is not somthing Marvel/Disney created or even do particularly well. What makes the MCU the juggernaut that it is, is the utter genius way it has ensnared fanboys into watching bang average movies and then raving about them all for a five second clip at the end of said bang average movie that links it to all the other bang average movies. They have created an environment were objectivity is irrelevant. As I've said before, there's some great movies in the MCU (Iron Man one, Captian America 2, Avengers 1 and 3) but there's also some utter garbage (Like Iron Man 3, Hulk, all the Thor films, Avengers 2) that fans refuse to admit is so because the mouse is above reproach.

 

[Nymzee]

Oh by all means mate, I've got time to prove you completely and utter wrong again....

This is so painfully untrue that I wouldn't even know how to do the subject justice. The Last three odd Jurassic park movies, all the transformers movies, Spiderman 3, and Avatar clearly demonstrate without going into to much detail that you're completely and utterly wrong about "Very entertaining" things making money.

I'm not sure what your point is mate? We're talking about the success of the shared universe which was a game changer. Warner Bros/DC simply cannot compete with that after leaving Marvel with a decade head start. Imo they should ignore the shared universe thing entirely and focus on telling great standalone stories told in single movies or over a triolgy without as much concern to continuity and more focus on the quality of the story being told. Like the battles comic wise in the 80's all over again, marvel have created a machine that fans just consume but years from now when all's said and done people won't remember or think very highly of. Just like then DC need to accept that they won't win a head to head battle initially but they can win overall by focusing on making and telling great stories in their movies that people will buy over and over again for decades in the latest repackaged format.

You might do so (somehow I doubt it though) but the overwhelming majority of the MCU zombie/fanboy audience wouldn't. DC or more importantly Warner Bros have made the mistake of trying to copy Marvels formula of the shared universe as people have pointed out, without the build up. That was a mistake but let's be clear here, out of the six DCEU movies made so far the three standalone movies (Man Of Steel, wonder woman and Aquaman) were just as good, if not better then more then most of the MCU. Dark Knight was pre MCU boom (not pre MCU alltoghter, but pre boom period), now it would get slagged off by critics and fanboys alike regardless of its obvious quality as would Watchman which is another movie head and shoulders above anything in the MCU. As I said before, this obsession with a single creative vision is were we will have to differ because imo DC will never compete at that game and so should be focusing on telling great standalone movies without the same shared universe stick. Finally, The DCEU is not a failure if we accept your logic about money made being the indicator of quality and success as you suggested earlier in your post because as you can see......
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All stories told in Books, Comics, TV and movies do this to some degree though, this is not somthing Marvel/Disney created or even do particularly well. What makes the MCU the juggernaut that it is, is the utter genius way it has ensnared fanboys into watching bang average movies and then raving about them all for a five second clip at the end of said bang average movie that links it to all the other bang average movies. They have created an environment were objectivity is irrelevant. As I've said before, there's some great movies in the MCU (Iron Man one, Captian America 2, Avengers 1 and 3) but there's also some utter garbage (Like Iron Man 3, Hulk, all the Thor films, Avengers 2) that fans refuse to admit is so because the mouse is above reproach.

I don't think that revenue picture is particularly fair given when each of those films were released. Iron Man 1 came out 9 years before Justice League. At that point, 15 more Marvel films were released culminating in a significantly greater public interest in watching superhero movies. That's always going to drum up viewing figures for Justice League, Suicide Squad etc.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I don't think that revenue picture is particularly fair given when each of those films were released. Iron Man 1 came out 9 years before Justice League. At that point, 15 more Marvel films were released culminating in a significantly greater public interest in watching superhero movies. That's always going to drum up viewing figures for Justice League, Suicide Squad etc.

I agree that revenue isn't a fair way to measure the quality of a movie it's actually an awful way, I made that exact argument in the post you quoted me. I'm merely making the point that if revenue is the best way to measure the success of a movie then the DCEU is far from a failure. I don't however agree that the boom of the MCU helped the DCEU, on the contrary it actually made things more difficult and has people scrutinizing bad superhero films more then they would of pre MCU. For example, nobody was shouting that the MCU was dead, finished ect after Hulk did they? I also don't agree that the MCU has created more interest in the superhero genre alltoghter, The Dark Knight triolgy was a storming success pre-MCU wasn't it? So the interest was already there. The only thing the MCU has created interest in is the shared universe angle.

 

[Nymzee]

I agree that revenue isn't a fair way to measure the quality of a movie it's actually an awful way, I made that exact argument in the post you quoted me. I'm merely making the point that if revenue is the best way to measure the success of a movie then the DCEU is far from a failure. I don't however agree that the boom of the MCU helped the DCEU, on the contrary it actually made things more difficult and has people scrutinizing bad superhero films more then they would of pre MCU. For example, nobody was shouting that the MCU was dead, finished ect after Hulk did they? I also don't agree that the MCU has created more interest in the superhero genre alltoghter, The Dark Knight triolgy was a storming success pre-MCU wasn't it? So the interest was already there. The only thing the MCU has created interest in is the shared universe angle.

I'd say the MCU has drummed up a lot more interest than Dark Knight with younger viewers.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I'd say the MCU has drummed up a lot more interest than Dark Knight with younger viewers.

Well it's been going on a lot longer at this stage hasn't it? Quite telling that we're comparing the influence of the MCU a collection of over twenty films to one single triolgy. Let's talk, Iron Man triolgy or Thor triolgy or Captian America triolgy Vs the Nolan Batman Triolgy and see what had more interest and still does to this day....

Even then I'd still argue that the Nolan triolgy did more, carries more influence and was the bigger game changer for the genre on the cinema then the MCU.

 

[Nymzee]

Well it's been going on a lot longer at this stage hasn't it? Quite telling that we're comparing the influence of the MCU a collection of over twenty films to one single triolgy. Let's talk, Iron Man triolgy or Thor triolgy or Captian America triolgy Vs the Nolan Batman Triolgy and see what had more interest and still does to this day....

Even then I'd still argue that the Nolan triolgy did more, carries more influence and was the bigger game changer for the genre on the cinema then the MCU.

Can think what you like, it's all subjective, I prefer DC to Marvel in general but I'm the first to admit the vast majority of their films have been absolutely awful.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Can think what you like, it's all subjective, I prefer DC to Marvel in general but I'm the first to admit the vast majority of their films have been absolutely awful.

Fair enough, agree to disagree.

 

[ste d' indica]

Tucker and Dale vs. Evil. Again (should be the title of sequel that).

"Hey college kids!! We got yer friend!!"

'kin love that fillum

 

[McBain]

Oh by all means mate, I've got time to prove you completely and utter wrong again....

This is so painfully untrue that I wouldn't even know how to do the subject justice. The Last three odd Jurassic park movies, all the transformers movies, Spiderman 3, and Avatar clearly demonstrate without going into to much detail that you're completely and utterly wrong about "Very entertaining" things making money.

I'm not sure what your point is mate? We're talking about the success of the shared universe which was a game changer. Warner Bros/DC simply cannot compete with that after leaving Marvel with a decade head start. Imo they should ignore the shared universe thing entirely and focus on telling great standalone stories told in single movies or over a triolgy without as much concern to continuity and more focus on the quality of the story being told. Like the battles comic wise in the 80's all over again, marvel have created a machine that fans just consume but years from now when all's said and done people won't remember or think very highly of. Just like then DC need to accept that they won't win a head to head battle initially but they can win overall by focusing on making and telling great stories in their movies that people will buy over and over again for decades in the latest repackaged format.

You might do so (somehow I doubt it though) but the overwhelming majority of the MCU zombie/fanboy audience wouldn't. DC or more importantly Warner Bros have made the mistake of trying to copy Marvels formula of the shared universe as people have pointed out, without the build up. That was a mistake but let's be clear here, out of the six DCEU movies made so far the three standalone movies (Man Of Steel, wonder woman and Aquaman) were just as good, if not better then more then most of the MCU. Dark Knight was pre MCU boom (not pre MCU alltoghter, but pre boom period), now it would get slagged off by critics and fanboys alike regardless of its obvious quality as would Watchman which is another movie head and shoulders above anything in the MCU. As I said before, this obsession with a single creative vision is were we will have to differ because imo DC will never compete at that game and so should be focusing on telling great standalone movies without the same shared universe stick. Finally, The DCEU is not a failure if we accept your logic about money made being the indicator of quality and success as you suggested earlier in your post because as you can see......
View attachment 55854

All stories told in Books, Comics, TV and movies do this to some degree though, this is not somthing Marvel/Disney created or even do particularly well. What makes the MCU the juggernaut that it is, is the utter genius way it has ensnared fanboys into watching bang average movies and then raving about them all for a five second clip at the end of said bang average movie that links it to all the other bang average movies. They have created an environment were objectivity is irrelevant. As I've said before, there's some great movies in the MCU (Iron Man one, Captian America 2, Avengers 1 and 3) but there's also some utter garbage (Like Iron Man 3, Hulk, all the Thor films, Avengers 2) that fans refuse to admit is so because the mouse is above reproach.

Mate you're literally the only person who thinks any of these DC films is any good. What are you smoking, they are garbage compared to what they should have been. Some people love Chicken Feet too. You can throw around figures, but the first films of the MCU cost literally half of what Warner spent and they had the patience to see it through.

Even the worst MCU film is better than the best DCEU film. I can't teach you the difference between and quality and crap, but one has a long lifespan, the other lasts 5 minutes. The movies you listed above - heavens. If you can't see the appeal of any of them... Dinosaurs... James Cameron bringing 3D back to the Cinema with a Planetary Space Adventure... Spiderman in one last hurrah... I can't help you. The DC Universe is dead bro. Murdered by a snapped neck, a completely destroyed City, terrible villains and bad CGI. Round one to Marvel.

But, this also gives Warner freedom to try to create individual films and not copy Marvel. I'm looking forward to Shazam and Joker. Any news on Flash or Cyborg? I hope they work it out, because they have so much good stuff to draw from.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Mate you're literally the only person who thinks any of these DC films is any good. What are you smoking, they are garbage compared to what they should have been. Some people love Chicken Feet too. You can throw around figures, but the first films of the MCU cost literally half of what Warner spent and they had the patience to see it through.

Even the worst MCU film is better than the best DCEU film. I can't teach you the difference between and quality and crap, but one has a long lifespan, the other lasts 5 minutes. The movies you listed above - heavens. If you can't see the appeal of any of them... Dinosaurs... James Cameron bringing 3D back to the Cinema with a Planetary Space Adventure... Spiderman in one last hurrah... I can't help you. The DC Universe is dead bro. Murdered by a snapped neck, a completely destroyed City, terrible villains and bad CGI. Round one to Marvel.

But, this also gives Warner freedom to try to create individual films and not copy Marvel. I'm looking forward to Shazam and Joker. Any news on Flash or Cyborg? I hope they work it out, because they have so much good stuff to draw from.

Aquaman was great, so was Wonder Woman and Man of Steel. If you want to hate for the sake of hating that up to you. Haters gonna hate.

It was you up brought up money made, I simply pointed out the obvious flaw in your argument. Not my fault If you don't like reality.

Now you're sounding like that fanboy zombie I was talking about a post ago with your silly hyperbole "marvels worst film is better then DC's best!" "The DCEU is dead LOLZ!"

I've already said DC and Warner Bros need to move on and do their own thing. I'd prefer then do leave the movies for a while and focus on their amazing tv, animated and video game work but sadly they aren't going to leave the movies so you better get used to it because they aren't going anywhere. I'll leave you to enjoy the endless sting of mediocre MCU movies mate.....

 

[McBain]

Aquaman was great, so was Wonder Woman and Man of Steel. If you want to hate for the sake of hating that up to you. Haters gonna hate.

It was you up brought up money made, I simply pointed out the obvious flaw in your argument. Not my fault If you don't like reality.

Now you're sounding like that fanboy zombie I was talking about a post ago with your silly hyperbole "marvels worst film is better then DC's best!" "The DCEU is dead LOLZ!"View attachment 55860

I've already said DC and Warner Bros need to move on and do their own thing. I'd prefer then do leave the movies for a while and focus on their amazing tv, animated and video game work but sadly they aren't going to leave the movies so you better get used to it because they aren't going anywhere. I'll leave you to enjoy the endless sting of mediocre MCU movies mate.....View attachment 55862

You can’t meme your way out of this!

Ok the bits with Russell Crowe on Krypton I really enjoyed.

 

[COYBL25]

Tucker and Dale vs. Evil. Again (should be the title of sequel that).

"Hey college kids!! We got yer friend!!"

'kin love that fillum

No matter how many times I watch it, it still makes me laugh.

Clever, funny and underated film.

 

[jaycee]

After much aguish because of no Edward Woodward,I watched "the equalizer" Denzil was fine and it was a nice enough way to waste a couple of hours,but it was just basically a time filler definitely wouldnt go out of my way to watch it again

 

[DrEFC]

Tucker and Dale vs. Evil. Again (should be the title of sequel that).

"Hey college kids!! We got yer friend!!"

'kin love that fillum

Never seen it!