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Last post: fan protests won't help the club you support

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It’s not a protest if you do it at a time that conveniences those that you’re protesting. A lack of protest is at best a show of apathy and at worst an affirmation of the board and their heinous decision making. If the team performs on the field the fans will right behind them. That will always be true.
 
Legend Barry Horne said:
This is the last time I'll post as I believe this is a lost cause

But, I do care about the club a lot and so will say for a final time - creating a toxic culture at the club and demanding too much will obviously put fear into players and management which will impact performances, helping create the downward spiral that we've now seen - ultimately resulting in people not wanting to join the club

Yes, allowing Gordon and Rondon to leave and not replacing them when we urgently needed attacking players appears to have not been good management. I suspect it wasn't for lack of trying to get new players. They should probably have held off on the exits until replacements were lined up, if financially possible

BUT, the squad we have is still better than some are saying. The best chance the club has now is for the fanbase to rally behind Dyche and the players

If not, the fans will be helping the club they spend a lot of time supporting to go down. And that will then mean then supporting a team in the Championship. And if the negativity continues, the fans might help the club plummet down the leagues. You'd think actually people having that effect might be better doing something else with their time

Ultimately, personally I think Moshiri should sell to a new owner who can revatilise things. And the fan problem will only be sorted if it is somehow directly tackled. It seems many have a fixed mindset though, which is not unusual (think Trump America etc), which may not be possible to change - it's unfortunate but the reality

I wish you all the best!

Barry Horne
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I think most players know the difference between 'board' and 'team', and if not, the smarter ones can explain it slowly to the others
The players know that if they get results or give it their all, they won't get boo'd. If they don't know that, then we're already doomed
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Can't get any worse mate.

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Tbf, it can get 5 positions worse :coffee:
 

Legend Barry Horne said:
This is the last time I'll post as I believe this is a lost cause

But, I do care about the club a lot and so will say for a final time - creating a toxic culture at the club and demanding too much will obviously put fear into players and management which will impact performances, helping create the downward spiral that we've now seen - ultimately resulting in people not wanting to join the club

Yes, allowing Gordon and Rondon to leave and not replacing them when we urgently needed attacking players appears to have not been good management. I suspect it wasn't for lack of trying to get new players. They should probably have held off on the exits until replacements were lined up, if financially possible

BUT, the squad we have is still better than some are saying. The best chance the club has now is for the fanbase to rally behind Dyche and the players

If not, the fans will be helping the club they spend a lot of time supporting to go down. And that will then mean then supporting a team in the Championship. And if the negativity continues, the fans might help the club plummet down the leagues. You'd think actually people having that effect might be better doing something else with their time

Ultimately, personally I think Moshiri should sell to a new owner who can revatilise things. And the fan problem will only be sorted if it is somehow directly tackled. It seems many have a fixed mindset though, which is not unusual (think Trump America etc), which may not be possible to change - it's unfortunate but the reality

I wish you all the best!

Barry Horne
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I'll say this one more time. The fans didn't create the toxic atmosphere at the club, Moshiri and Kenwright did. The fans are just responding to it. The idea that fans should just be positive and optimistic all of the time in the face of a tsunami of bullfaeces is beyond stupid.

Blame yourself if you want, Barry, but anyone with a brain in their skull and eyes in their head know that this is down to two old men.
 
Legend Barry Horne said:
This is the last time I'll post as I believe this is a lost cause

But, I do care about the club a lot and so will say for a final time - creating a toxic culture at the club and demanding too much will obviously put fear into players and management which will impact performances, helping create the downward spiral that we've now seen - ultimately resulting in people not wanting to join the club

Yes, allowing Gordon and Rondon to leave and not replacing them when we urgently needed attacking players appears to have not been good management. I suspect it wasn't for lack of trying to get new players. They should probably have held off on the exits until replacements were lined up, if financially possible

BUT, the squad we have is still better than some are saying. The best chance the club has now is for the fanbase to rally behind Dyche and the players

If not, the fans will be helping the club they spend a lot of time supporting to go down. And that will then mean then supporting a team in the Championship. And if the negativity continues, the fans might help the club plummet down the leagues. You'd think actually people having that effect might be better doing something else with their time

Ultimately, personally I think Moshiri should sell to a new owner who can revatilise things. And the fan problem will only be sorted if it is somehow directly tackled. It seems many have a fixed mindset though, which is not unusual (think Trump America etc), which may not be possible to change - it's unfortunate but the reality

I wish you all the best!

Barry Horne
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Wake up and smell the coffee Baz, the club is going down the pan and supporters are supposed to sit on their hands and accept it ? Get real man. Sustained and continued protests are the only way of forcing something to be done about it.
 
chicoazul said:
It’s honestly loads easier to put distance between you and Everton than loads think.

Limited social media and here so you’re not doom scrolling and making some really unhealthily angry and upset.

Switch off the game after it’s finished or just swerve the game and do something that serves you better, like read a book you got planned or go for a walk.

We know what Everton is and I hope it gets routed from the top down ASAP, but if it’s making you angry and damaging relationships around you then go make that distance happen until they’re sound again.
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I had to do a double take at the ID of the giver of such sage and serious advice, but it is spot on.

I've always loved watching footy. If I am at home and there is footy on, I'll try to watch it. Everton are legitimately the only exception to that rule. I will go out of my way to avoid the feelings associated with watching us play, but I'll happily sit through a League Two match if it's on.

I can't quite stop myself from following latest scores and results, but I set my expectations appropriately low and so am rarely disappointed more than I had anticipated being.

Of course, it is a sorry state of affairs, and my auld fella would no doubt have a go at me if he was still around, about not being a fairweather fan or whatever, but I am not having my kids living in fear of a weekend because I am rampaging round the house with a cob on.

Far, far more important things in life.

*Checks thread title to stay on topic*:

Fans don't start booing when a team is playing well, and turn them into dossers. Fans boo because the team is playing very badly, very consistently. They protest when the management team are being disingenuous snakes who would rather feed us the "get behind the team" bumwash than actually take any responsibility for the pit of despair we all call home these days. You probably thought this thread would go a lot better, especially with the whole "Last post" thing. Sorry about that @Legend Barry Horne
 
chicoazul said:
These are the type of exchanges which are sound. A point and a counter. No malice, no abuse. Others could take note, particularly anyone abusing the thread starter for a well mannered leaving post. Perhaps he isn’t the problem.
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You are correct sir, the poster isn’t the problem.

The board is. But best not to blame the fans for it on a fan forum really.
 

I'm in favour of protests after the game but not before/during, and also in favour on non-match days.

An after-match sit-in seems to be most effective and does not cause any imposition during a game.

It seems to me that fans have both gone out of their way to support the team in difficult times, and organise protests that are focused on the non-performance of the board/owner that in no way impinge on matchday.
 

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