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[Baines' left foot]

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[MrGrumpy]

In the last round Sky paid £2.3 bn, BT Sports paid £736 million.

The reason why Sky and BT Sports paid so much more for the 2016/19 rights was the increased competition from the likes of Eurosport (backed by parent company Discovery) and Qatari based Bein Sports - the duopoly is being challenged.

However the point about being dependent upon broadcasting rights is agreed and understood.

The reason sky paid so much is because they got gazumped by BT for the CL and lost ALL matches, so Sky decided they weren't going to lose the main PL so put in a stupid bid that they new BT couldn't match, next time it comes around they might bid less

 

[zirc]

What Everton want is sustainability in all areas of the business revenues. Peaks and troughs are very damaging to the club. It is obvious to a blind man that the TV revenues are in a bubble.

I agree with most of your points on the board but I don't believe the tv money is a bubble, yet. Domestically, it might be close to saturation. They've only scratched the surface of overseas broadcasting revenues, though. Imagine how much money a foreign streaming service could generate, for example.

 

[davek]

I agree with most of your points on the board but I don't believe the tv money is a bubble, yet. Domestically, it might be close to saturation. They've only scratched the surface of overseas broadcasting revenues, though. Imagine how much money a foreign streaming service could generate, for example.

Imagine if the PL's biggest 'brand' clubs then decided they'd prefer to end collective bargaining and go it alone. Everything is on the table in the future and shouldn't be ruled out. It all rests on shaky foundations for a club like Everton.

 

[AndyC]

Imagine if the PL's biggest 'brand' clubs then decided they'd prefer to end collective bargaining and go it alone. Everything is on the table in the future and shouldn't be ruled out. It all rests on shaky foundations for a club like Everton.

Imagine if just Manu went on their own, the value of the Sky deal would imo reduce considerably just on that one club ploughing its own tv furrow.

 

[davids]

As I said :

Manchester City. Arsenal. Spurs. West Ham. Liverpool. Have all in this time increased capacity to more than 10,000 more than Everton.

They managed it.

All I hear is excuses for why Everton haven't in 15 years.

It's damaging the club in the long term.

I'm all about organic revenue growth and funding sustainable success.

However failures are becoming increasingly evident.

But building a 60,000 seater stadium for a team that finishes lower mid table isn't good business.Investment is needed to produce a team that finishes in the top six every season (at the very least) to fill a new stadium

 

[davek]

Imagine if just Manu went on their own, the value of the Sky deal would imo reduce considerably just on that one club ploughing its own tv furrow.

It'd happen if this cash bonanza plateaus or spirals down. Once they've hit those tv revenue heights they'll want it permanently. Especially a club leveraged to the eyeballs like United.

 

[thirdmantackle]

I'm surprised that there hasn't been a breakaway TV deal already for the supposed big 5 teams

Like in Spain it'd be rich clubs vs rest

 

[The Esk]

Imagine if the PL's biggest 'brand' clubs then decided they'd prefer to end collective bargaining and go it alone. Everything is on the table in the future and shouldn't be ruled out. It all rests on shaky foundations for a club like Everton.

The way the Premier League is set up and the ownership of broadcasting rights makes individual bargaining an impossibility. The only way it could be achieved is a winding up of the Premier League itself.

Too many vested interests to allow that to happen.

 

[bizzaro]

But building a 60,000 seater stadium for a team that finishes lower mid table isn't good business.Investment is needed to produce a team that finishes in the top six every season (at the very least) to fill a new stadium

You can't invest in the playing staff without the stadium to pay for it. Premier league rules on wages, indicate this.

 

[davek]

The way the Premier League is set up and the ownership of broadcasting rights makes individual bargaining an impossibility. The only way it could be achieved is a winding up of the Premier League itself.

Too many vested interests to allow that to happen.

A tinkering with the portions doled out on foreign tv deals could create imbalance to Everton's disadvantage though. Look at LFC's proposal a few years back of performance related divvying up of the revenue from that source.

They were deserted by the other 'brand' clubs at that stage. If things change in terms of a slowing down or reversal of income then that could be revisited.

 

[The Esk]

A tinkering with the portions doled out on foreign tv deals could create imbalance to Everton's disadvantage though. Look at LFC's proposal a few years back of performance related divvying up of the revenue from that source.

They were deserted by the other 'brand' clubs at that stage. If things change in terms of a slowing down or reversal of income then that could be revisited.

Whilst I accept that there can be tinkering I think the security of, and the distribution of broadcasting revenues is the very least of Everton's concerns at present.

Competing with sovereign fund backed sponsorship deals and the domination of the largest clubs in the young player transfer market would be my two greatest concerns at a macro level.

At club level it is squaring the circle that is a club and council both dependent upon each other for subsidising any ground move, yet both unable to fund their own contributions let alone provide a subsidy for the other party.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Let's face it, to depend solely on the TV money and player sales is not the best way to run a club

There needs to be better and more efficient revenue streams and we also need to attract new owners

The best way to do that would be to get a new stadium. It makes us a far more attractive prospect for any potential buyers and will immediately start bringing in more money. Could we fill a 60K seater stadium? Yeah, I think we could. The optimism surrounding us with a new stadium and ownership would get people to give us a chance. Then, so long as we deliver on the pitch, we'll retain them. Once Everton has touched you.......

 

[PhilM]

I agree with most of your points on the board but I don't believe the tv money is a bubble, yet. Domestically, it might be close to saturation. They've only scratched the surface of overseas broadcasting revenues, though. Imagine how much money a foreign streaming service could generate, for example.

They were talking about this very subject on City Talk on Thursday afternoon with a reporter from the Guardian being interviewed.

He said that the officials he'd spoken to in the PL are confident that the current deal (to start in 16/17) will be trumped at the end of it's term.

While he still thinks their is leeway in the domestic market due to external competition, the foreign markets they believe still have a lot to give.

Little fact he mentioned as well: next year's world top 30 richest clubs WILL be dominated by the PL clubs, most being in the top 20.

Collectively the Premier League was in profit last season for the first time ever, suggesting it'll attract much more interest from afar.

Next year's 20th placed team will also gain more revenue for their position than Chelsea did for winning it last season. Top 4 will gross £120m+.

The model is working and improving all the time, so he believes that it isn't anywhere near a bubble as of yet.

 

[bizzaro]

They were talking about this very subject on City Talk on Thursday afternoon with a reporter from the Guardian being interviewed.

He said that the officials he'd spoken to in the PL are confident that the current deal (to start in 16/17) will be trumped at the end of it's term.

While he still thinks their is leeway in the domestic market due to external competition, the foreign markets they believe still have a lot to give.

Little fact he mentioned as well: next year's world top 30 richest clubs WILL be dominated by the PL clubs, most being in the top 20.

Collectively the Premier League was in profit last season for the first time ever, suggesting it'll attract much more interest from afar.

Next year's 20th placed team will also gain more revenue for their position than Chelsea did for winning it last season. Top 4 will gross £120m+.

The model is working and improving all the time, so he believes that it isn't anywhere near a bubble as of yet.

It was in profit due to FFP and Premier League rules.

If there were no regulations. There is NO way that clubs would be operating within their means.

All the money would simply go into wages and agents fees and other similar inflationary points.

This under the regulations cannot happen to historic levels.

The issue is if these breaks on wage inflation are removed. Then it will create enormous problems for the clubs themselves. So should not be supported.

@davek @The Esk


Its a bubble if the tv revenue providers suddenly withdraw due to other issues. Thats the point.