Latest Takeover Rumour. The Moores / Noell one

[Steve Wigan]

Except the site has now been sold to Liverpool City Council

Just means someone else collects the lease payments...same terms re opprtunity to buy back, if ever it was necessary, which currently it isn't. Easiest way is to think of it a bit like taking an Equity release on your house.

 

[bluestevon]

By 'worrying' do you mean 'potentially hilarious as we watch the Kopites get relegated'?

hope so

but on a serious note, constant fall in investment year on year, followed by a sale is not a trend i would want to see in a new owner, thankfully the Padres under Moores didn't quite have that

 

[803 Toffee]

Similar vein mate but this is a list of each season of the Padres from 1988 till 2011 and the top spender that year, the Padres spendign and how they ranked out the league in spending, interestingly it includes the years under Werner the current Liverpool owner who Moores bought the Padres from.

Werner they ranked 12th, then 15th, then 21st then 28th, so actually looking at that a very worrying trend from the guy who currently owns Liverpool in the way the progressively slipped until the bottom at which point he sold them. an average position of 19/20 out of 28 over the 5 years he had them

Moores took over the team that were 28/28 on spending, the next is the following positions they had in spending in the league - 1995 -22, 18, 18 under the 28 team format, league then expanded to 30 teams after that year, then 14, 17, 16, 2000 -25, 26, 27, 17, those previous 4 seasons coincided with the new stadium being built and seems to suggest a huge cost cutting of the team to fund it in part 17, 17, 24, 19, sold them at that point

new owner of the Padres spending position, 29, 29, 27, 30, 26, 21 up to i think last season.

Overall those figures when looked at in detail don't scare me as much as some people seem to be

Also remember that the Padres in baseball terms are the equivalent to say a Wolves, Bolton, Stoke type team in terms of history, wealth and relative marketability, and he managed to reach almost the pinnacle of the sport with them, and make them relevant in the game for a period of 4-5 seasons which they have never had before or since, Everton is far far away from the minnow that the Padres where

Oh definitely, Everton are not comparable to the Padres. I was curious about the Padres/Moores spending habits more than anything, and wanted to put some type of info out there. I'm a Braves myself, so the Padres were never on my radar..other than Tony Gywnn. I know they had trouble competing in a terrible NL west. I think they'll spend the money needed to be successful. Who knows why it didn't work with the Padres. Bad GM or talent scout maybe?

 

[Verbal Kint]

So modest...

Been waiting ages to quote that haha

 

[b4sunryze]

I've already given my take (see earlier posts). But I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. Give the benefit of the doubt before jumping to the worrying about the worst case scenario. As an Evertonian and Padres (season ticket holder), I can say a potential takeover by Moores should be an exciting time. Moores help build up the value of the Padres (he sold it for much more) because he invested into the team, helped get the new stadium built with a creative solution that revitalized downtown San Diego, and invested in the infrastructure by hiring smart minds behind every department. The worst part of his Padres ownership was his abandonment of the team and San Diego because of the divorce - I don't think that will be repeating itself.

Find the entire takeover thing weirdly amusing looking at the fans reactions, bang on about being held back under the current board and without new owners we will slowly sink into obscurity (could argue thats already happened), new owners on the verge and now we moan about the worry of what will happen, short answer is you can't have it both ways, we never are going to get a instant fix liek Chelsea and City did for a few reasons, the American group ARE NOT carpet baggers regardless of some peoples fears - they have zero track record for doing so - look in depth at the Padres and it is far from an asset strip - could argue the opposite - yes they made money from them, but they also oversaw their one period of success in that time and when they sold they had a shiny new stadium to boot.

for the past 15 years we have basically been a manager who is a disaster in the transfer market away from going into free fall - both Moyes and Martinez have thankfully excelled at buying the right players and not wasting much - both also have ensured that the squad never had to replace too much too soon by limiting sales of the better players, IF a new owner puts us further away from that precipice then i welcome it.

IF proportionate to the other clubs in the league we have the type of backing that Villa did in the early years under Lerner then we will benefit hugely in comparison - the single most important thing is we don't mess up player recruitment and either leave it to Martinez or bring someone in board who also understands football if we do go a director of football route

 

[bluestevon]

Oh definitely, Everton are not comparable to the Padres. I was curious about the Padres/Moores spending habits more than anything, and wanted to put some type of info out there. I'm a Braves myself, so the Padres were never on my radar..other than Tony Gywnn. I know they had trouble competing in a terrible NL west. I think they'll spend the money needed to be successful. Who knows why it didn't work with the Padres. Bad GM or talent scout maybe?

Thing is mate it really did work with the Padres when they spent they enjoyed significant success - certainly for a club of their stature, when they cut costs during the stadium build they suffered badly, but think about the premiership when Arsenal built their new stadium they did cut costs significantly in terms of spending on transfers - they where enabled to do so successfully though due to having a very good existing - and young squad, with the way American sports works though as you know, with no relegation etc their is no 'real world' cost for the cutting of costs to fund a stadium - hopefully these lot are smart enough to realise that.

Nearest i could say for those not familiar with American sports in general would be they enjoyed effectively the equivalent of say a cup win, a few CL qualifying years and a European final under the Moores ownership

 

[tellmema]

Mate i honestly don't care about naming rights to the stadium, we will still call it what we always have done, everyone will besides some blerts on Sky sports or the red tops, If it gets is in money that is reinvested into the playing squad then i honestly couldn't care less

Worst case scenario i can realistically and not knee jerk panicking see out of this will be a redeveloped Goodison, owners who pump a bit of money into us to try to qualify for the CL - fail and then look to sell on for a profit.

Always said that this first sale is not one that worries me, its one i welcome as we will benefit a lot form it, the worry for me will be what happens after the new owners sell as they may just take the quickest best offer ont he table regardless of who it is

I agree with the worry. But that is long way off, if at all. That's what I mean, no point getting our knickers in a knot, until things are clearer. Though I love a bit of speculation, intrigue and factual opinions.
Only thing I know is that I know nothing.

 

[The Esk]

I've already given my take (see earlier posts). But I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. Give the benefit of the doubt before jumping to the worrying about the worst case scenario. As an Evertonian and Padres (season ticket holder), I can say a potential takeover by Moores should be an exciting time. Moores help build up the value of the Padres (he sold it for much more) because he invested into the team, helped get the new stadium built with a creative solution that revitalized downtown San Diego, and invested in the infrastructure by hiring smart minds behind every department. The worst part of his Padres ownership was his abandonment of the team and San Diego because of the divorce - I don't think that will be repeating itself.

How could he achieve this at Everton with a majority shareholding rather than complete ownership?

 

[803 Toffee]

I've already given my take (see earlier posts). But I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. Give the benefit of the doubt before jumping to the worrying about the worst case scenario. As an Evertonian and Padres (season ticket holder), I can say a potential takeover by Moores should be an exciting time. Moores help build up the value of the Padres (he sold it for much more) because he invested into the team, helped get the new stadium built with a creative solution that revitalized downtown San Diego, and invested in the infrastructure by hiring smart minds behind every department. The worst part of his Padres ownership was his abandonment of the team and San Diego because of the divorce - I don't think that will be repeating itself.

It's good to hear from a Padres fan on the subject. I'm on the east coast, so I'm normally in bed when the AL/NL West is getting started. I'm a bit of casual baseball fan as well. I keep up more with college baseball compared to the MLB.

 

[bluestevon]

I've already given my take (see earlier posts). But I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. Give the benefit of the doubt before jumping to the worrying about the worst case scenario. As an Evertonian and Padres (season ticket holder), I can say a potential takeover by Moores should be an exciting time. Moores help build up the value of the Padres (he sold it for much more) because he invested into the team, helped get the new stadium built with a creative solution that revitalized downtown San Diego, and invested in the infrastructure by hiring smart minds behind every department. The worst part of his Padres ownership was his abandonment of the team and San Diego because of the divorce - I don't think that will be repeating itself.

Fair enough assessment their mate, as a Padres fan you'd know a lot more about it than most, i just think that right now a lot of Evertonians are running scared of the big bad wolf, what we have been calling out for for years is finally on the verge of happening and now people are starting to go into full blown panic mode over anything, show me one Billionaire who has a completely clean slate in everything they've done and i will be shocked.

Get the stadium sorted, invest in the playing staff to a level we should be, sort out the piss poor areas of the club in terms of the commercial side and sponsorship etc and i will be more than happy if they make a nice profit themselves whilst doing so

 

[MrGrumpy]

Purely in financial terms

Okay then it goes like this

Man City
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
Leicester
Bournemouth
Villa
Newcastle
Sunderland
Southampton
Man Utd
Spurs
Stoke

There all richer then us. Doesn't make them bigger


Not sure on Watford,Norwich,West ham, c place and West brom

 

[johnnydawg68]

It only hurts at first, or so @johnnydawg68 says

You'll learn to love it.

*taps nose

 

[Toffeeslam]

Afternoon gents my first ever post here

If these guys are serious about Everton and respect out history and heritage then great I'm all for this take over, however the track record of yanks in the premier league is sketchy at best.

From what I understand JJ Moores took the Padres to levels they never reached before, but it was a messy divorce that ruined that venture so lets hope he keeps his trousers up if this does go through.

I guess we will have to wait but in my view any takeover MUST be tied to a stadium solution be it a new build of my preference a redeveloped Goodison park and maintain spending on 1st team squad.

Should be interesting in the next fortnight or so

 

[b4sunryze]

How could he achieve this at Everton with a majority shareholding rather than complete ownership?

Moores never had complete ownership of the Padres, there were always minority owners as with any civic sports team. Here's one minority owner Glenn Doshay talking about selling his share when John first tried to sell the Padres. Moores is a businessman and investor who has had plenty of experience as a Chairman of dozens of companies he's invested in (many of them with founders still on the board) and leading coalitions (he's very politically savvy - some say too savvy w/ Valerie Stallings incident, although Moores never technically did anything wrong).

 

[Logans run]

Been waiting ages to quote that haha

never miss out on a quote my friend