League Place vs Cup

[4737carlin]

4th, no question- its potentially a game changer while a lucky cup run is not...

A game changer how? We get laughed at because we win nothing.

 

[Terrarian]

A game changer how? We get laughed at because we win nothing.

I get the feeling all those saying fourth have never seen us win and been part of that. Anyone who remembers the cup and league wins will tell you there's no better feeling in football. Coming 4th has become a target, that's sad in my opinion, you want to finish as high as possible of course but winning a trophy is a great feeling and one we have been starved of for a very long time.

 

[Groucho]

we’ve been there before though , last trophy was in in 1995 . It’s mind blowing we need success , I’d like both but a trophy is about winning and success breeds success we need a winning mentality . Both would contribute to that but amongst the fanbase a trophy could kick us out of our doldrums .

I don’t disagree. It’s why choosing between one or the other is a daft concept.

Why not win a cup and get 4th?

 

[4737carlin]

I don’t disagree. It’s why choosing between one or the other is a daft concept.

Why not win a cup and get 4th?

Depth of squad, you need to focus on one, which should be the one your most likely to win.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

It's just not important to me and it's a major reason we have fixture congestion. It was only brought in 60 years ago for lower league clubs revenue and a rough chance to win a trophy.
We have European fixture congestion now and the League Cup should be scrapped or be confined to clubs below the Prem, imo.
It's a 3rd rate trophy and I actually take some satisfaction with us not having won it. I'd much rather win the Community Shield which isn't listed in club's
silverware haul, and that's a pity because we've won heaps of them.

How old are you boss? I agree it’s the ugly sister of cups, but for those of us who’ve never seen Everton win anything it would be a big deal.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

A game changer how? We get laughed at because we win nothing.

This is our biggest goal drought in the history of the club. We need to win something before we become Newcastle or Villa.

 

[Harryflashman]

I don’t disagree. It’s why choosing between one or the other is a daft concept.

Why not win a cup and get 4th?

oh I’m sure almost nobody would disagree mate but given the question that was posed For me silverware is the way to go , fourth place is a fantastic achievement but trophies are something special .

 

[Jeff Jones]

How old are you boss? I agree it’s the ugly sister of cups, but for those of us who’ve never seen Everton win anything it would be a big deal.

Yes, I make allowances for young supporters who haven't seen us win things and understand the need to win something. Look, I'm 74 and have
the memories of league titles, and FA Cup wins which, believe me used to be seriously big. The only times I took a real interest in the League Cup was when we got to 2 finals and when we got close fairly recently. Finishing 4th with 70 points would be a very enjoyable season and something to build on.

 

[-Rob-]

I'm in my mid 40 so I've seen us win the league, the FA Cup, ECWC, charity shield and finish in the top 4. Nothing beats the feeling of seeing the team lift a trophy. Winning the FA Cup would be absolutely massive so I'd take that and a mid-table finish in the league.

 

[efcjames]

Trophy of course

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Its better to have a pot to pee in .

 

[TyphooToffee]

To mix it up a bit @Woolverhampton_Blue would you rather:

1. Win a trophy but finish say 11th including getting battered in both derby games 3/4 nil

or

2. get knocked out of both cups early doors but finish 4th and doing the double over the RS in the season including a last minute winner at Anfield

???

2

 

[windymiller]

I wonder if there is an age divide on this subject. I grew up following Everton in an era when there wasn't a champions league and only the actual champions competed in the European cup. I think as a consequence 2nd to 4th as an achievement means very little to me (notwithstanding the obvious commercial and reputational benefits of playing in the CL). I suspect, however, that had I been born ten years later and grown up with the CL I would probably be more enamoured with it.

 

[Sweeneytoad]

I wonder if there is an age divide on this subject. I grew up following Everton in an era when there wasn't a champions league and only the actual champions competed in the European cup. I think as a consequence 2nd to 4th as an achievement means very little to me (notwithstanding the obvious commercial and reputational benefits of playing in the CL). I suspect, however, that had I been born ten years later and grown up with the CL I would probably be more enamoured with it.

I'm 26 and would take a trophy over a european place anyday.

 

[windymiller]

I'm 26 and would take a trophy over a european place anyday.

Yeah, my theory is probably bollocks!