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Let's discuss the center backs
- Thread starter SerenityNigh
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First look at how Carlo sets up midfield, that will tell you how he will set up his back four or five.
Mate?
Yerry Mina is a god amongst men
Everyone else, apart from Ben, can k’off
Everyone else, apart from Ben, can k’off
Death
I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
He gets in there twice for being a ride and being crap.
Martin Alvito
Player Valuation: £50m
Keep and develop Godfrey for sure. Has the potential to be the real deal.
I would cash Keane in while we can. I don't think Carlo will. As I've said elsewhere, to be fair there's value in having a 38-game man.
I like Mina. I think his injury history is going to get worse rather than better. I would have a reserve price on wages that I would not move on. I would sell above that. If forced to sell and replace, we're probably stuck keeping Keane for a season.
I am in the apparent minority that thinks Holgate is likely to come good. Everyone seems to forget that CBs mature late (25ish) at an elite level and tend to play longer than other outfield positions. We were questioning Mina's decision-making for a couple of years there.
I would have to see Branthwaite to say whether he needs a loan spell or not.
This likely needs us leaving a CB. If we don't have the funding to sell Keane or Mina and buy what we need, then we probably have to just roll over on Mina's wage demands and keep Keane.
I would cash Keane in while we can. I don't think Carlo will. As I've said elsewhere, to be fair there's value in having a 38-game man.
I like Mina. I think his injury history is going to get worse rather than better. I would have a reserve price on wages that I would not move on. I would sell above that. If forced to sell and replace, we're probably stuck keeping Keane for a season.
I am in the apparent minority that thinks Holgate is likely to come good. Everyone seems to forget that CBs mature late (25ish) at an elite level and tend to play longer than other outfield positions. We were questioning Mina's decision-making for a couple of years there.
I would have to see Branthwaite to say whether he needs a loan spell or not.
This likely needs us leaving a CB. If we don't have the funding to sell Keane or Mina and buy what we need, then we probably have to just roll over on Mina's wage demands and keep Keane.
If there's no improvement in the midfield then we'll be seeing another six-CB lineup before long
Terrarian
Player Valuation: £50m
We need a vocal leader at the back. They all have plus and negative points so it will depend on how we want to set up going forward. If it's higher up then the obvious two to drop are Yerry and Keane but I can see Carlo trying to get a Captain type for CB, we'll see.
I still think a lot of our problems, bar mistakes, come from us being so poor in the middle of the park, we are constantly under pressure. Given that and the amount of possession we concede, I think the defence do pretty good, they're under the cosh for a good portion of most games because we can't control the middle.
I still think a lot of our problems, bar mistakes, come from us being so poor in the middle of the park, we are constantly under pressure. Given that and the amount of possession we concede, I think the defence do pretty good, they're under the cosh for a good portion of most games because we can't control the middle.
PhoenixFirebird
Player Valuation: £500k
Godfrey: I knew jackxxxx about Godfrey before he came on the radar, except when I played FM19 and he was picked up Burnley and went on to become England international (Don' judge me for FM 
). So yea, I was intrigued to see him come in, and he has been excellent from my perspective.
Good: He is a bundle of energy and is always pushing upfield, downfield, widefield (I know, not a term). In all, whenever I see him in the lineup I am assured of one part of the backline being covered. I enjoy, really enjoy watching him play.
Bad: Possibly, needs a calmer, experienced head besides him in the back with him to guide him. While it's a joy to see him gallivanting beyond the half line, it also makes me fearful.
Keane: I generally like Keane as a CB, silently goes about his job. He has his cons, but his willingness to put body on line puts him at #2 on my list.
Good: Experienced head, calm. Efficient
Bad: We all expect him to be more than he is and I doubt if he can give anything more than he is right now (I could be wrong, but...). And the pace...
Mina: I was smiling the whole day when I heard we were bringing the Colombian to Goodison. I had just watched him trouble keepers at set pieces in the world cup. I might have given some middle-finger-salutes to some of my other-merseyside-club-fan friends
I visualized him to be Lescott+Jagielka all rolled into one. Well it definitely was a good dream.
Good: When he is on fire, he seems to belong to the best-of-the-world category. He still has a presence in the six-yard box at the other end. I saw (from the streams of course) at least 2-3 opposition players guarding him at corners and freekicks to box him in. He plays with joy of a child.
Bad: When is not on fire, he makes me wonder "why". He plays with joy of a child with even skillsets of a child at those times. He continues to frustrate even after so many years with us. Of course his injuries are also a concern as everybody has mentioned.
Holgate: I believe he came to us from Barnsley around the same time Stones was getting into first-team and I had hopes of him emulating his senior from Barnsley. Please correct me if I am remembering this differently. Wasn't he brought in to be an understudy of Coleman at RB? I seem to recall he was originally meant to be a RB, but got slotted into CB role when he excelled there, and maybe we thought we had found another Stones, who was also originally a RB(?).
I was excited to see him play in some of his early games. I don't know what has happened to him. He seems to have lost his way completely. Maybe, he is weighted down by expectations, I don't know. I am not looking forward to seeing Holgate into the starting line anymore.
Sitting 7500 Kms away I can't say I have seen Branthwaite (or any of the the u-23 players) play, so can't really say anything about him.
So in my honest opinion, If we visualize the backline as a unit, we may want to build the defensive unit with Godfrey as a main-stay, with Keane providing wise counsel, Mina for the entertainment and to be part of a back-3 if needed, but otherwise as a backup. Possibly move on Holgate if someone comes up with an offer. We need at least 2-3 options available as backup to make an assault on the top-4 next year.
). So yea, I was intrigued to see him come in, and he has been excellent from my perspective.Good: He is a bundle of energy and is always pushing upfield, downfield, widefield (I know, not a term). In all, whenever I see him in the lineup I am assured of one part of the backline being covered. I enjoy, really enjoy watching him play.
Bad: Possibly, needs a calmer, experienced head besides him in the back with him to guide him. While it's a joy to see him gallivanting beyond the half line, it also makes me fearful.
Keane: I generally like Keane as a CB, silently goes about his job. He has his cons, but his willingness to put body on line puts him at #2 on my list.
Good: Experienced head, calm. Efficient
Bad: We all expect him to be more than he is and I doubt if he can give anything more than he is right now (I could be wrong, but...). And the pace...
Mina: I was smiling the whole day when I heard we were bringing the Colombian to Goodison. I had just watched him trouble keepers at set pieces in the world cup. I might have given some middle-finger-salutes to some of my other-merseyside-club-fan friends
I visualized him to be Lescott+Jagielka all rolled into one. Well it definitely was a good dream.Good: When he is on fire, he seems to belong to the best-of-the-world category. He still has a presence in the six-yard box at the other end. I saw (from the streams of course) at least 2-3 opposition players guarding him at corners and freekicks to box him in. He plays with joy of a child.
Bad: When is not on fire, he makes me wonder "why". He plays with joy of a child with even skillsets of a child at those times. He continues to frustrate even after so many years with us. Of course his injuries are also a concern as everybody has mentioned.
Holgate: I believe he came to us from Barnsley around the same time Stones was getting into first-team and I had hopes of him emulating his senior from Barnsley. Please correct me if I am remembering this differently. Wasn't he brought in to be an understudy of Coleman at RB? I seem to recall he was originally meant to be a RB, but got slotted into CB role when he excelled there, and maybe we thought we had found another Stones, who was also originally a RB(?).
I was excited to see him play in some of his early games. I don't know what has happened to him. He seems to have lost his way completely. Maybe, he is weighted down by expectations, I don't know. I am not looking forward to seeing Holgate into the starting line anymore.
Sitting 7500 Kms away I can't say I have seen Branthwaite (or any of the the u-23 players) play, so can't really say anything about him.
So in my honest opinion, If we visualize the backline as a unit, we may want to build the defensive unit with Godfrey as a main-stay, with Keane providing wise counsel, Mina for the entertainment and to be part of a back-3 if needed, but otherwise as a backup. Possibly move on Holgate if someone comes up with an offer. We need at least 2-3 options available as backup to make an assault on the top-4 next year.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Generally (bar from the city pummelling) we don't concede too many goals. When fit if Mina and Keane play we look ok, Godfrey and Branths look like good prospects, I would go as far as saying it's the least of our worries at the moment.
AussieToffee11
Player Valuation: £8m
Godfrey and Mina = Keep
Keane and Holgate = Open to Offers
Branthwaite = Elevate to Squad
Gibson = Ship out
I feel like Holgate would be perfect for a newly promoted team or lower table team. I wonder if we could include him in a deal for Aarons.
In my view it is most likely that we will move one of our current four CBs (BG, YM, MK, MH) and get an upgraded version in. I think it'll take this window and the next Summer window to have a quality core four that can all start, unless Branthwaite really kicks on in the interim.
Keane and Holgate = Open to Offers
Branthwaite = Elevate to Squad
Gibson = Ship out
I feel like Holgate would be perfect for a newly promoted team or lower table team. I wonder if we could include him in a deal for Aarons.
In my view it is most likely that we will move one of our current four CBs (BG, YM, MK, MH) and get an upgraded version in. I think it'll take this window and the next Summer window to have a quality core four that can all start, unless Branthwaite really kicks on in the interim.
Vic Vinegar
Player Valuation: £750k
Can someone name all these errors that Mina’s made that makes him so ‘error prone’? I can only think of Tottenham in the cup.
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