This is pretty interesting digression- live earth to politics in one fell swoop! Impressive.TRUE.
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well enough of this bollocks. I am going to sup a beer, inject vodka into my eyeballs, heroine into my penis and sniff a line of coke. Then go and kick off at the old fella next door for playing his [Poor language removed] max bygraves "best of" album again far too quietly for me to enjoy it properly.
I was perhaps not surprisingly just below Milton Friedman.
GhostOfDixie
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I didn't do the test, couldn't be bothered, 
but I am as left wing as they come, I happen to think that the Nazi party had a good idea but executed in the most barbaric and disgusting way possible.
If someone said to me we are going to send the Polish invasion back and bring a better quality of life to our own people, give them better wages, and more spending power - I would say yes thats a good idea. If they said, but to do it we are going to have to kill these people, I would say no I don't support that.
Bruce Wayne, correct me if I'm wrong, but is this foreign invasion bad for the economy? I heard they sent most of their money back to their families, that can't be good for the economy.
For the record, I'm not a racist, but I am a nationalist, or patriot - whatever you want to call it. I am proud of my nation's history prior to the modern times when we seem to have bent over and let everyone shaft us. I just don't think its right that we have no real border policy, yet we have literally thousands of people, children included who live on the streets.
Surely the government should house these people before they house immigrants. Surely they should look to get these people into education and employment before they look after the foreigners.
Why is it we have a massive population yet one of the smallest nations. Are we a victim of our own history? Are we victims of the Empire? Maybe, but does that mean it should happen?
I loosely quote from American History X,
"Until we sort out our own problems and issues, close the [Poor language removed] book"
but I am as left wing as they come, I happen to think that the Nazi party had a good idea but executed in the most barbaric and disgusting way possible. If someone said to me we are going to send the Polish invasion back and bring a better quality of life to our own people, give them better wages, and more spending power - I would say yes thats a good idea. If they said, but to do it we are going to have to kill these people, I would say no I don't support that.
Bruce Wayne, correct me if I'm wrong, but is this foreign invasion bad for the economy? I heard they sent most of their money back to their families, that can't be good for the economy.
For the record, I'm not a racist, but I am a nationalist, or patriot - whatever you want to call it. I am proud of my nation's history prior to the modern times when we seem to have bent over and let everyone shaft us. I just don't think its right that we have no real border policy, yet we have literally thousands of people, children included who live on the streets.
Surely the government should house these people before they house immigrants. Surely they should look to get these people into education and employment before they look after the foreigners.
Why is it we have a massive population yet one of the smallest nations. Are we a victim of our own history? Are we victims of the Empire? Maybe, but does that mean it should happen?
I loosely quote from American History X,
"Until we sort out our own problems and issues, close the [Poor language removed] book"
Crikey, immigration, now there's a hornets nest. Personally speaking I'm pro-immigration because it brings with it new skills, new ideas and new cultures. As I've mentioned in other threads I'm generally in favour of giving people as much freedom as possible (within the law) and it's the same with immigration. Generally speaking as long as people pay their own way then I'm ok, which probably underpins much of the discontent people have about immigration, ie that people come to Britain for a free lunch. Obviously there is scope for charities to support asylum seekers but they should be charities and left to individuals to decide if they wish to support aslyum seekers or not.
Obviously there are issues concerning overpopulation, carrying capacity etc. that suggest our ability to grow the population does have limits but quite what those limits are I really don't know.
There is a danger of becoming afraid of all things foreign, be it immigrants or globalisation. America seems to be teetering on the brink at the moment on both issues and hopefully they won't fall down on the protectionist side of things. As Gordon Brown is fond of saying, we have had a pretty good economy over the last decade and I think a big factor in this has been the rise of emerging economies such as China, Brazil, India, Mexico etc. When looking at the buoyancy of an economy I don't believe employment is a good indicator. Instead you should look at productivity, or GDP. Some measure of output rather than input, and in those terms we have done well, despite various jobs going to other countries. This is simply the evolution of the economy as our strengths shift from certain industries to others. We are now the financial capital of the world, which doesn't seem to garner the same level of pride as when we were the workshop of the world but there is no reason why not.
I'm not sure that's a particularly well structured post but the ability seems to have escaped me for the moment
Obviously there are issues concerning overpopulation, carrying capacity etc. that suggest our ability to grow the population does have limits but quite what those limits are I really don't know.
There is a danger of becoming afraid of all things foreign, be it immigrants or globalisation. America seems to be teetering on the brink at the moment on both issues and hopefully they won't fall down on the protectionist side of things. As Gordon Brown is fond of saying, we have had a pretty good economy over the last decade and I think a big factor in this has been the rise of emerging economies such as China, Brazil, India, Mexico etc. When looking at the buoyancy of an economy I don't believe employment is a good indicator. Instead you should look at productivity, or GDP. Some measure of output rather than input, and in those terms we have done well, despite various jobs going to other countries. This is simply the evolution of the economy as our strengths shift from certain industries to others. We are now the financial capital of the world, which doesn't seem to garner the same level of pride as when we were the workshop of the world but there is no reason why not.
I'm not sure that's a particularly well structured post but the ability seems to have escaped me for the moment
GhostOfDixie
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No its fine. I think its hard for anyone to be pro-immigration if you are not interested in the financial implications.
Personally I would not welcome anyone into this country, because by saying yes come in - in effect we just opened the floodgates and are unable to control the monster we created.
There are a fair few people who are English, proud to be English and are very protective over everything that is English. The fact we are becoming more and more multi-racial and segregated to boot - worries me. Gun crime is increasing at a fast rate, and to be honest, I don't see many "English" citizens at the core of this teenage problem. Not saying that white people are saints, but there is a definite non-english culture developing and its quite worrying.
Problem is, if I stood up on a soap box and voiced my concerns I would be labelled a racist. I'm not a racist - I hate the lazy white people as well as the immigrants who are after a free lunch. Trouble is there seems to be more after a free lunch.
I mean Poland is a huge nation in terms of area. Why are they not trying to develop their own country to a way which prevents thousands emmigrating? Is it that bad that this massive nation can't support its own people, and we a smaller nation feel the need to build estates to house these immigrants.
Also, ask the working class if they have pride in being the financial capital of the world? Doesn't benefit them, so why should they have pride in a hollow victory.
Personally I would not welcome anyone into this country, because by saying yes come in - in effect we just opened the floodgates and are unable to control the monster we created.
There are a fair few people who are English, proud to be English and are very protective over everything that is English. The fact we are becoming more and more multi-racial and segregated to boot - worries me. Gun crime is increasing at a fast rate, and to be honest, I don't see many "English" citizens at the core of this teenage problem. Not saying that white people are saints, but there is a definite non-english culture developing and its quite worrying.
Problem is, if I stood up on a soap box and voiced my concerns I would be labelled a racist. I'm not a racist - I hate the lazy white people as well as the immigrants who are after a free lunch. Trouble is there seems to be more after a free lunch.
I mean Poland is a huge nation in terms of area. Why are they not trying to develop their own country to a way which prevents thousands emmigrating? Is it that bad that this massive nation can't support its own people, and we a smaller nation feel the need to build estates to house these immigrants.
Also, ask the working class if they have pride in being the financial capital of the world? Doesn't benefit them, so why should they have pride in a hollow victory.
What is it to be English? If you look back at our heritage and how we got to this point you will see integration at all periods of history- where would we be without the romans etc?!
You make a valid point about Poland the notion that people are after a fre lunch, but from my experience a worker from poland in a labour intensive role works as hard as 3 english workers. We have cleaners at work and being the role that it is we get people with all nationalities- the best are the Polish followed by the Portugese. When we have had english cleaners they get pissed off, things go missing and the work rate is halved.
So maybe we should look at ourselves first. If we got our [Poor language removed] together and didnt have so many dossers on the dole and wasting tax payers money maybe we could limit the immigartion that happens.
But in saying all that I do agree that something needs to be done in regards to the amount of immigrants finding themselves at Dover either legally or illegally.
GhostOfDixie
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Well thats my point, sort out our own people before we outsource everything. Why do we have lazy workers?
Like I said my own personal experience of workers within a specific industry (cleaners) The English workers were lazy and had a horrible attitude where as the foreign and in particular Polish went about there work and worked bloody hard!
About as "English" as you could get, wouldn't you say? And that was not an isolated incident...
GhostOfDixie
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Wasn't that newspaper 10 years old?
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