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Black Belt Jones said:
There's no chance GRRM finishes the series, and the last two were bad anyhow, so you might have put it down for good.
Best thing that could happen is he gets a co-writer on board who knows how to put pen to paper. Most writers would be understandably resistant to that idea, but it's an unusually high profile series so maybe something can happen there. He clearly hates writing it at this point.
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Too much characters, too much plots going on, locations etc......... not easy to link up that in one cohesive finish. So he has choosen easier route, he is i believe consultant on this show and planning to finish his Targaryen history book (Fire and Blood 2), something thats much easier to write about (fictional in universe history).

Guy is also super rich and he probably lost motivation
 
stipe said:
I tried to watch Amazon Wheel of Time last year and it was absolutely awful and boring (personal opinion) and i quit it after first 3 episodes. Not to mention it looked cheap as hell despite reportedly having massive budget.

Witcher was also kinda meh, even my sister who is big fan of the books quit it.

Definitely got high hopes for House of the Dragon simply because of the HBO, this guys shy of nothing. Though i read the book its based on (Dance of the Dragons) and it gonna be a lot of iffy stuff for general audience, particularly incest galore
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Wheel of Time was very disappointing (I have read all the books so that influenced my opinion). Witcher (not read any) started badly and improved about half way through season 1 I thought.
 
woodsyni said:
Loved the Wheel of Time books but the show is pretty awful. Nothing to do with the casting though. Your description of "liberties taken and crap production" sum it up better than I could. I fear for the new stuff if that's the benchmark.
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Wholesale rewrites never go over well with the existing fanbase, which is literally what a company is buying when they pay for rights. Don't like the politics of the author? Don't make the show. Write new content that's consistent with your politics instead. The way they butchered Foundation was even worse. I'm not clear on why they didn't adapt the robot novels instead, as those have ample strong female characters and race-swapping Daneel wouldn't be that jarring, based on his physical description.

These things can be made as period pieces where we discuss the author's attitudes in the context of current ones. Outside of his masterpieces (Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land, The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress), Heinlein feels incredibly dated. The latter two have problems, but the quality of the material more than makes up for it. It's not a surprise that the one with the least problems is the one that was adapted for the screen, rather than the '60s counterculture icon.

GoT worked initially because it was written by a former screenwriter who crushed the dialogue in the first book, and gave the showrunners a couple of solid sequels in terms of plot and character to work with. This project can work in the sense that they at least have the rights to the appendices. Shadow of Mordor is a good game that tells a quality original story in the universe. It's going to feel very weird if they go the woke route, as Tolkien was very Catholic and that fact pervades his work. I would also be a lot more excited about, say, seeing Feanor tell Morgoth off than I am about another version of the Celebrimbor story.
 
Both sides of this work debate are so boring and predictable now. Every time a steaming service announce a new show the anti-woke are as desperate to write it off as the woke were to try and add different ethnicities, sexualities and powerful women.

I’m a bit of a geek with this stuff so here are some of my takes.

Years ago JK Rowling was lauded by the woke community (stupid term but I don’t know what else to call it) for having powerful women, multiple ethnicities and even for hinting Dumbledore was gay and not denying it when she had denied a bunch of stuff.
What nobody seemed to understand was that all of her representation was stereotypical, lazy and a bit racist.
One Irish character, named Seamus Finnigan, who repeatedly blew stuff up!
Asian girl of indiscriminate nature - call her Cho Cheng
Indian twins? The Patels obviously
Suspected evil other school? Make them Eastern European and call the main two Viktor and Boris
Blonde kid from powerful family? Racist, wizard/white supremacist
A loser side kick? Let’s make him ginger.
There are more examples but I can’t be arsed.

Then the funniest part of all that is she disagreed with transsexuals being described as women and got absolutely disowned by the people who were desperate to love her.


I was a big fan of the Witcher, both the games and the books and I think the series is very good too, though the pacing is a bit off.
Fans lost their mind when Fringilla and Triss were cast as black but it makes no difference to their character so what’s the big deal?

The Sandman also got slated for having a female death, a female lucifer and black characters where there were none before… who cares? I quite liked seeing death as a woman and thought she was fantastic in that one episode. I also like the lady from GOT as Lucifer and at no time did any characters race matter in the slightest.
People also got upset that their were brief same sex relationships that hadn’t been in the comics! Grow up! If you don’t like that, never watch Neil Gaiman’s other adaptation American Gods ?

The funniest one to me is that there was no backlash to race swapping in The Boys, and why was that?
In the comics, A-Train was white. He’s the fastest man alive and also kills the main character’s girlfriend within five minutes of the first episode because he’s on drugs. The anti-woke were like ‘ah yeah that makes sense, he can be black, they can have the fast murderous junky ones’.

So yeah, at this point both sides are just point scoring and being offended for the sake of being offended. As long as it’s not a documentary, change away - though the idea of Idriss Elba playing John Lennon does sound hilarious
 
Martin Alvito said:
Wholesale rewrites never go over well with the existing fanbase, which is literally what a company is buying when they pay for rights. Don't like the politics of the author? Don't make the show. Write new content that's consistent with your politics instead. The way they butchered Foundation was even worse. I'm not clear on why they didn't adapt the robot novels instead, as those have ample strong female characters and race-swapping Daneel wouldn't be that jarring, based on his physical description.

These things can be made as period pieces where we discuss the author's attitudes in the context of current ones. Outside of his masterpieces (Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land, The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress), Heinlein feels incredibly dated. The latter two have problems, but the quality of the material more than makes up for it. It's not a surprise that the one with the least problems is the one that was adapted for the screen, rather than the '60s counterculture icon.

GoT worked initially because it was written by a former screenwriter who crushed the dialogue in the first book, and gave the showrunners a couple of solid sequels in terms of plot and character to work with. This project can work in the sense that they at least have the rights to the appendices. Shadow of Mordor is a good game that tells a quality original story in the universe. It's going to feel very weird if they go the woke route, as Tolkien was very Catholic and that fact pervades his work. I would also be a lot more excited about, say, seeing Feanor tell Morgoth off than I am about another version of the Celebrimbor story.
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Both the shadow video games were outstanding from story and mechanics point of view! Had forgotten about them!
 

malcson said:
Wheel of Time was very disappointing (I have read all the books so that influenced my opinion). Witcher (not read any) started badly and improved about half way through season 1 I thought.
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I didn't read Witcher books (only played games) and show really didn't caught me so to speak. Though i didn't watch season 2 yet, i heard it improved.

My sister loves the Witcher books, according to her there was too many changes or such (i believe show is based on books), and she disliked it. But book fans always to love nitpick little details when show is made, same was with GoT, so maybe just that he he
 
Nymzee said:
I was going to join in on this thread but it’s already been ruined by the ramblings of that stupid yank.

#MambaOut
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Eat a....

You could have done plenty other than follow me around

Leave it to the fan of the nazis to hold a grudge
 

Yank said:
I'll give it a watch if people who have anything to add have anything to say.

I swear, you all are a strange "lot" as you say...

Very incelish
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Don't watch it on my account, but I am intrigued. Tell me more, who are my people? Not many people have good insight into themself; Heisinger's cat and all that.
 

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