Lukaku. Yes or no

[the sniderman]

He scored 1 in 2 at his peak for Swansea. Four consecutive 20+ goal seasons.

was this in serie a buddy??

 

[Azzurri]

It’s just mad.

Lukaku not being rounded enough to play for the very best teams in the world is an entirely different argument to whether he’s better than Cenk Tosun. Which he obviously is.

 

[Tubey]

Okay.

I find it a bit odd that you’re defending this stance. It just smacks of you not wanting to be proved wrong.

I’m definitely not going to have a discussion on how Tosun isn’t a better football player than Lukaku.

Oh I was without a doubt wrong on Tosun being a good player for Everton. He obviously wasn't.

Lukaku was without question the better striker for Everton than Tosun was.

But I do still believe Tosun is the overall better footballer. I understand how that opinion will be strange, hence trying to explain it clearly, but it comes down to me believing Tosun has more to his overall game than Lukaku does, even though Lukaku is a galaxy ahead of Tosun in specific areas.

Like Calvert-Lewin will never consistently outscore Lukaku, but he's 10x the actual footballer.

 

[Tubey]

was this in serie a buddy??

"Upmarket" Lee Trundle.

 

[DanEFC92]

Oh I was without a doubt wrong on Tosun being a good player for Everton. He obviously wasn't.

Lukaku was without question the better striker for Everton than Tosun was.

But I do still believe Tosun is the overall better footballer. I understand how that opinion will be strange, hence trying to explain it clearly, but it comes down to me believing Tosun has more to his overall game than Lukaku does, even though Lukaku is a galaxy ahead of Tosun in specific areas.

Like Calvert-Lewin will never consistently outscore Lukaku, but he's 10x the actual footballer.

Like what

 

[Tubey]

I’ve got no idea who Kerlon is sorry. Quoting an obscure footballer doesn’t mean Cenk Tosun is better than Lukaku.

Kerlon was quite famous, worth looking up, but I actually quoted him to agree with you on this.

Football, on a competitiveness level, is about being effective. As are all sports. You can prefer to watch Taarabt than Frank Lampard because he does a few tricks but this in no way makes him a better “footballer”.

You're quite right. But Lukaku is "effective" for sides below the elite tier, where goals are worth the tradeoff in actual effectiveness in the team, but for the proper top teams he's a liability.

 

[Azzurri]

I’d suggest an out and out striker being “a galaxy ahead” of another in goal scoring makes him a better player. But maybe that’s just me.

 

[Country Mac]

I don't get what's hard to understand what I'm saying here - I'm saying Tosun is a better all round footballer. I don't think he's a more effective footballer, especially at Premier League level, as he doesn't excel at anything. Whereas Lukaku is astonishing at one or two areas of his game and woeful at the rest.

Also, I don't think Lukaku is a poacher - he's just remiscent of the style of play back then where a poacher was essentially a free role and out of the system when off the ball. Lukaku is similar in that he offers nothing off the ball or even in possession, but occasionally he can massacre a defence by storming down on goal out the blue, curling one in from 25 yards etc.

The only possible reason I can see for someone rating Tosun over Lukaku as a footballer is race related. I've had a look through some of your posts on Saha and Yakubu too and it doesn't look good.

 

[DanEFC92]

Tosun might be the worst striker I've seen play for us so this is amusing.

 

[Moomin]

Like what

Baldness.

 

[Azzurri]

Baldness.

Draw.

 

[Tubey]

Like what

General technical ability - technique, first touch, awareness of space etc. You might say "what?" to that, but if you ignore the "he failed" aspect and look at his actual game, he's far better at those things that Lukaku is.

But he wasn't good enough for Premier League level - just lacking in every area. If he was around 20% better all round he'd be a hell of a striker, but he isn't.

Neither is Lukaku in loads of areas of his game, but he's just incredibly powerful, explosive and can finish everything in a nano-second, so because he's elite at some aspects of his game, he stands out.

Tosun in theory was the perfect signing for us at the time. In practice, he wasn't. DCL is the player I hoped Tosun would be, and DCL is so far ahead of Lukaku as an overall footballer that it's embarrassing to compare the two tbh.

 

[Azzurri]

You're quite right. But Lukaku is "effective" for sides below the elite tier, where goals are worth the tradeoff in actual effectiveness in the team, but for the proper top teams he's a liability.

This argument, again, is one I don’t understand. You might be right. But Tosun has shown himself to be ineffective and a liability at the level Lukaku excelled at.

 

[Tubey]

The only possible reason I can see for someone rating Tosun over Lukaku as a footballer is race related. I've had a look through some of your posts on Saha and Yakubu too and it doesn't look good.

Drogba one of my favourite strikers ever, adore DCL, Kante should have been given the best player in the world gong for two straight years etc. etc. etc. etc.

You may want to retract that comment, idiot.

 

[Azzurri]

General technical ability - technique, first touch, awareness of space etc. You might say "what?" to that, but if you ignore the "he failed" aspect and look at his actual game, he's far better at those things that Lukaku is.

But he wasn't good enough for Premier League level - just lacking in every area. If he was around 20% better all round he'd be a hell of a striker, but he isn't.

Neither is Lukaku in loads of areas of his game, but he's just incredibly powerful, explosive and can finish everything in a nano-second, so because he's elite at some aspects of his game, he stands out.

Tosun in theory was the perfect signing for us at the time. In practice, he wasn't. DCL is the player I hoped Tosun would be, and DCL is so far ahead of Lukaku as an overall footballer that it's embarrassing to compare the two tbh.

I’ll take ‘incredibly powerful, explosive and can finish everything in a nano-second’ over ‘awareness of space’, thanks.