Lukaku. Yes or no

[Azzurri]

Your idea that football has moved on from goal poachers (which Lukaku isn’t) and forwards now need to contribute more for the team to be successful is maybe a decent one.

Don’t think stating that Cenk Tosun is better than Lukaku is the best way to go about arguing this.

 

[Tubey]

Ideal really, that his one trick is banging goals in at every level he’s ever played.

I've never said otherwise. Possibly the best pure goalscorer on the planet.

Unfortunately, he can't do much else and is therefore a liability. Hence why he's played nearly 500 games of football, scored 1 in 2 that entire time, yet never played for a truly top club and won nothing.

Basically, an upmarket Lee Trundle.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Well, you're using Lukaku 2021 in a farmers league to compare to Tosun in the Premier League.

Well, Tosun just scored two in his first game back in the Turkish farmers league, in 30 minutes. Which by your logic makes him automatically a better striker than Aubameyang.

As said in the initial post, it's comparing apples and oranges. There's nothing to suggest Lukaku is a better footballer than Tosun - there's plenty to suggest he's a better goalscorer, but that wasn't the question. You can be an elite level one trick pony, and that's what Lukaku is.

Hang on, you just said Tosun is better than Lukaku and would prove if he played in Serie A. Now you’ve just called it a farmer’s league.

 

[the sniderman]

Yep, Lineker too, Rush, all the famous 'goal hanger' poacher types. Game has moved on in the last 15 or so years.

This post sums up my view.

2020/21 - Dominic Calvert-Lewin

every time I tried one of those sliding celebrations I would take out a knee... let alone have time for the arm thing... I found it much safer to just do the old fist pump in my day I wouldn't dare to do such celebrations and chance scraping my knees. I rather to do a dancing celebration...

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hang on buddy did u just say serie a is for farmers buddy??

 

[Azzurri]

I've never said otherwise. Possibly the best pure goalscorer on the planet.

Unfortunately, he can't do much else and is therefore a liability. Hence why he's played nearly 500 games of football, scored 1 in 2 that entire time, yet never played for a truly top club and won nothing.

Basically, an upmarket Lee Trundle.

You know Lee Trundle was the opposite of a goal poacher? Just checking.

Again, the argument that Lukaku doesn’t do enough to be truly one of the best is one you can make. But you do know Cenk Tosun is absolutely useless, yes? And nowhere near Lukaku in any category except baldness.

 

[Tubey]

Your idea that football has moved on from goal poachers (which Lukaku isn’t) and forwards now need to contribute more for the team to be successful is maybe a decent one.

Don’t think stating that Cenk Tosun is better than Lukaku is the best way to go about arguing this.

I don't get what's hard to understand what I'm saying here - I'm saying Tosun is a better all round footballer. I don't think he's a more effective footballer, especially at Premier League level, as he doesn't excel at anything. Whereas Lukaku is astonishing at one or two areas of his game and woeful at the rest.

Also, I don't think Lukaku is a poacher - he's just remiscent of the style of play back then where a poacher was essentially a free role and out of the system when off the ball. Lukaku is similar in that he offers nothing off the ball or even in possession, but occasionally he can massacre a defence by storming down on goal out the blue, curling one in from 25 yards etc.

 

[Tubey]

Hang on, you just said Tosun is better than Lukaku and would prove if he played in Serie A. Now you’ve just called it a farmer’s league.

Erm... yes?

It's like Tosun scoring in Turkey - of course he'll score in Turkey. Of course he'd score in Italy too. These are weaker leagues - Turkey much moreso than Italy, but still very much weaker than England.

 

[Azzurri]

I don't get what's hard to understand what I'm saying here - I'm saying Tosun is a better all round footballer. I don't think he's a more effective footballer, especially at Premier League level, as he doesn't excel at anything. Whereas Lukaku is astonishing at one or two areas of his game and woeful at the rest.

Also, I don't think Lukaku is a poacher - he's just remiscent of the style of play back then where a poacher was essentially a free role and out of the system when off the ball. Lukaku is similar in that he offers nothing off the ball or even in possession, but occasionally he can massacre a defence by storming down on goal out the blue, curling one in from 25 yards etc.

“Footballer” is a term that means nothing.

Football, on a competitiveness level, is about being effective. As are all sports. You can prefer to watch Taarabt than Frank Lampard because he does a few tricks but this in no way makes him a better “footballer”.

There is also very little about Tosun’s game that suggests he’s a better all round “footballer”. His touch is crap, he can’t dribble, can’t run, can’t pass, can’t do anything at this level except be a decent finisher when someone works miracles to get him a chance. I think your suggestion that Lukaku is woeful at everything except one or two aspects is way off. Has he got the best touch, passing etc in the world? No. Is it woeful? Also no.

 

[Tubey]

You know Lee Trundle was the opposite of a goal poacher? Just checking.

Again, the argument that Lukaku doesn’t do enough to be truly one of the best is one you can make. But you do know Cenk Tosun is absolutely useless, yes? And nowhere near Lukaku in any category except baldness.

Yes, again I was referring to poachers in the context of a role that has gone extinct, in response to the Inzaghi question.

My comparison with Trundle is that he was a player who was absolutely prolific in front of goal but would never have been effective at a higher level. Remember watching him bully defenders, fair bit of a skill too, but you could see the weaknesses with him - incredibly obvious.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Erm... yes?

It's like Tosun scoring in Turkey - of course he'll score in Turkey. Of course he'd score in Italy too. These are weaker leagues - Turkey much moreso than Italy, but still very much weaker than England.

Okay.

I find it a bit odd that you’re defending this stance. It just smacks of you not wanting to be proved wrong.

I’m definitely not going to have a discussion on how Tosun isn’t a better football player than Lukaku.

 

[the sniderman]

hello buddy here is one trick pony Lukaku in his most recent game hanging round the goal against some cow milkers called lazio.

 

[Azzurri]

Erm... yes?

It's like Tosun scoring in Turkey - of course he'll score in Turkey. Of course he'd score in Italy too. These are weaker leagues - Turkey much moreso than Italy, but still very much weaker than England.

You do know that Lukaku scored in England and got a £75m move whereas Tosun didn’t and is now on loan in Turkey.

Yes, again I was referring to poachers in the context of a role that has gone extinct, in response to the Inzaghi question.

My comparison with Trundle is that he was a player who was absolutely prolific in front of goal but would never have been effective at a higher level. Remember watching him bully defenders, fair bit of a skill too, but you could see the weaknesses with him - incredibly obvious.

Lee Trundle was known for being very skilful but not really prolific in front of goal.

 

[Tubey]

“Footballer” is a term that means nothing.

Football, on a competitiveness level, is about being effective. As are all sports. You can prefer to watch Taarabt than Frank Lampard because he does a few tricks but this in no way makes him a better “footballer”.

There is also very little about Tosun’s game that suggests he’s a better all round “footballer”. His touch is crap, he can’t dribble, can’t run, can’t pass, can’t do anything at this level except be a decent finisher when someone works miracles to get him a chance. I think your suggestion that Lukaku is woeful at everything except one or two aspects is way off. Has he got the best touch, passing etc in the world? No. Is it woeful? Also no.

Classic example is Kerlon, with his 'seal trick' and all that nonsense. You're right, effective is what you want.

But that's actually my criticism of Lukaku - I think he's effective at too little to be anything but a liability to a team at the highest level. He'll score, but you'll be playing with 10 men nearly every game. There's no getting around that IMO - it's been borne out over and over again and the fact I predicted exactly how his time at United would go before he even signed speaks volumes. It was that obvious. You don't see it, that's where we disagree - so be it.

 

[Tubey]

Lee Trundle was known for being very skilful but not really prolific in front of goal.

He scored 1 in 2 at his peak for Swansea. Four consecutive 20+ goal seasons.

 

[Azzurri]

Classic example is Kerlon, with his 'seal trick' and all that nonsense. You're right, effective is what you want.

But that's actually my criticism of Lukaku - I think he's effective at too little to be anything but a liability to a team at the highest level. He'll score, but you'll be playing with 10 men nearly every game. There's no getting around that IMO - it's been borne out over and over again and the fact I predicted exactly how his time at United would go before he even signed speaks volumes. It was that obvious. You don't see it, that's where we disagree - so be it.

I’ve got no idea who Kerlon is sorry. Quoting an obscure footballer doesn’t mean Cenk Tosun is better than Lukaku.