Lukaku. Yes or no

[Bruce Wayne]

Anyway, there’s no point in carrying this on. You’re diverting the argument away from Lukaku vs Tosun to whether Lukaku offers enough in the build up to play for an elite team.

While suggesting that it’s me who doesn’t understand football because I think moving to Inter Milan for £80m and scoring 39 goals in 57 games makes you better than being on loan in Turkey because you’re not good enough for a team who had Sigurdsson up front on Wednesday.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

Who would win in a fight in Morrison's car park? Tosun or Lukaku?

 

[Azzurri]

Who would win in a fight in Morrison's car park? Tosun or Lukaku?

I’ll leave the stereotypes about Turkish people to other posters but, yano, they are a bit.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Lukaku is gash. The fact he looks like his first trophy will be at the age of 28 yet he's already played for united and Chelsea says it all. And don't say he's going to be a late bloomer his knees have got about 3 years before they implode in on themselves.

He could have and should have been a world cup or at least a European championship winner but he decides to do his vanishing act in any game of actual importance. Top goalscorer on his day but in the pantheon of greats he doesn't even register.

Martinez wishes he had Brett Angell up front I bet.

 

[Azzurri]

I have, repeatedly. Tosun was lacking in every area, but the idea of Tosun was the correct one.

Whereas Lukaku has worse technical ability than Tosun but is so ridiculously better in a few aspects of his game that, as a 'glass cannon' type of footballer, is far more effective than Tosun.

So an 'improved version' of Tosun - like we see with Calvert-Lewin - is by several magnitudes the superior option as a footballer to Lukaku. Unfortunately, Tosun wasn't it, but if he was in Italy now (or Turkey, as he is), he'll look a world beater at the level he's at.

Okay.

I also won’t be getting in to a discussion about whether the idea of one footballer is better than another. And I also think that yes, if you improved every aspect Tosun’s game he would be better than Lukaku. But if Bernard was 9 foot tall he’d score loads of back post headers and if you improved Tom Davies’ ability to swim he’d beat Michael Phelps.

There’s really no point in this.

 

[Tubey]

Not to mention 13 in 27 in the CL, 20 in 33 in the Europa, and of course 57 goals for Belgium. Farmers leagues all over the place

He'll always score goals. At any level, in any team.

But tell me... what's been the net result of those goals?

Nothing, right? Always losing those tournaments after disappearing in the big games? Because his team is suddenly playing with 10 men?

Which is, of course, precisely my point.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Lukaku is gash. The fact he looks like his first trophy will be at the age of 28 yet he's already played for united and Chelsea says it all. And don't say he's going to be a late bloomer his knees have got about 3 years before they implode in on themselves.

He could have and should have been a world cup or at least a European championship winner but he decides to do his vanishing act in any game of actual importance. Top goalscorer on his day but in the pantheon of greats he doesn't even register.

Yeah he should have carried those bad United sides or Everton or a Roberto Martinez side that gets battered against the first competent tactical setup they see without fail to trophies and the fact that he's in line to win some the first time he's on a team good enough with good management does in fact show that he's always been utter crap.

 

[Moomin]

Comparing Tosun to Rom is like comparing Herbie Hyde to Mike Tyson.

All that Tyson lad can do is knock people out, Hyde on the other hand is a more complete all round boxer.

 

[TheBigIguana]

He'll always score goals. At any level, in any team.

But tell me... what's been the net result of those goals?

Nothing, right? Always losing those tournaments after disappearing in the big games? Because his team is suddenly playing with 10 men?

Which is, of course, precisely my point.

Or maybe it's the other 10 guys not doing their jobs?

 

[The binman chronicles]

Yeah he should have carried those bad United sides or Everton or a Roberto Martinez side that gets battered against the first competent tactical setup they see without fail to trophies and the fact that he's in line to win some the first time he's on a team good enough with good management does in fact show that he's always been utter crap.

I said it before, the season he went united had already won two cups. Total myth they were a bad side,should have been there with Pogba to increase the level, yet it went down.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I said it before, the season he went united had already won two cups. Total myth they were a bad side,should have been there with Pogba to increase the level, yet it went down.

They won the Europa by beating Slavia Tractor Salesman and Celta Vigo. Ajax were the better side in the final but didn't have the luck on the day. De Gea carried that team a good deal too.

 

[Tubey]

Or maybe it's the other 10 guys not doing their jobs?

The reason I highlight Lukaku's influence is because of the drastic dropoff when he doesn't score. It's not the same as most players - a Firmino, for example, can score 10/15 goals less than a Salah yet be every bit as important to the attacking unit. Messi throughout his career could have scored 10 goals a season less but still have been the best player in the world. Aguero has been an unreal goalscorer his entire career, but if you compare his overall game and how he constantly threatens, runs channels, opens space etc. to Lukaku it's as stark as it gets.

If Lukaku doesn't score 20+ a season he's not even close to breaking level with the trade-off when he doesn't score. Arguably he needs 30-35 a season for an elite club to justify the trade. There's a good 10-15 games a year he does absolutely nothing in - that's why you can't build consistency and win things.

He was bombed out of United despite not being far off 1 in 2 games, because of just how bad he was in terms of literally everything else. That's what makes him unique - he's the only player in world football who is legit world class in front of goal but absolutely terrible at everything else.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The reason I highlight Lukaku's influence is because of the drastic dropoff when he doesn't score. It's not the same as most players - a Firmino, for example, can score 10/15 goals less than a Salah yet be every bit as important to the attacking unit. Messi throughout his career could have scored 10 goals a season less but still have been the best player in the world. Aguero has been an unreal goalscorer his entire career, but if you compare his overall game and how he constantly threatens, runs channels, opens space etc. to Lukaku it's as stark as it gets.

If Lukaku doesn't score 20+ a season he's not even close to breaking level with the trade-off when he doesn't score. Arguably he needs 30-35 a season for an elite club to justify the trade. There's a good 10-15 games a year he does absolutely nothing in - that's why you can't build consistency and win things.

He was bombed out of United despite not being far off 1 in 2 games, because of just how bad he was in terms of literally everything else. That's what makes him unique - he's the only player in world football who is legit world class in front of goal but absolutely terrible at everything else.

First off have you actually watched him at Inter?

Secondly he's not Messi is not the best way of going about proving someone isn't good.

 

[Tubey]

Comparing Tosun to Rom is like comparing Herbie Hyde to Mike Tyson.

All that Tyson lad can do is knock people out, Hyde on the other hand is a more complete all round boxer.

I'd actually agree! But where Tosun ended up an Audley Harrison, the hope was you'd get a Lennox Lewis.

For Tyson, he was always Tyson. He could knock over everyone afraid of him, but he couldn't change his style - as soon as his explosiveness was gone, or when he met a credible opponent like an on form Douglas or the brilliant stedhead Holyfield, he was done. For Lewis, he boxed as he did his entire career. He won consistently, for longer.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I said it before, the season he went united had already won two cups. Total myth they were a bad side,should have been there with Pogba to increase the level, yet it went down.

That's because Cuco Martina isn't a farmer like those Serie A defenders.

 

[Tubey]

First off have you actually watched him at Inter?

Secondly he's not Messi is not the best way of going about proving someone isn't good.

Yes, he's doing well. He's at his level.

He's essentially the same as he was in England but is allowed to get away with his flaws in a weaker league.