Luke Garbutt

[MikeH72]

Too many helmet fans for my liking.

Aye put our hopes into a 30 year old whose having reconstructive surgery and on the gradual decline, and a lad whose just had 1 near career ending injury and another broken bone (done the likes of Falcao, Owen and torres no harm) we could have 2 below par players in Baines and Oviedo post injuries/age no one knows but let's let a promising 21 year old go for nowt, who loves evertons business strategies or lack of one

This really. The fact that people don't think Baines has obviously declined in the last 2 years is also strange

 

[USABlue]

Too many helmet fans for my liking.

Aye put our hopes into a 30 year old whose having reconstructive surgery and on the gradual decline, and a lad whose just had 1 near career ending injury and another broken bone (done the likes of Falcao, Owen and torres no harm) we could have 2 below par players in Baines and Oviedo post injuries/age no one knows but let's let a promising 21 year old go for nowt, who loves evertons business strategies or lack of one

it's up to garbutt. apparently he's been offered a pretty decent deal but you can't play 3 LB and he'll want more playing time

 

[Nymzee]

This really. The fact that people don't think Baines has obviously declined in the last 2 years is also strange

Definite decline. I reckon we would have beaten Sunderland if Garbutt was playing due to the sheer number of corners we got.

 

[davek]

that's the issue though dave. if we have solid cup runs in addition to the league he'd only be playing about 1/3 of the games next season. At the stage of his career he probably wants to be playing week in week out. impatience is a fair assessment but don't think its about the money

That's a fair wedge of games in a season that's likely to be about 48 games in length. He'd have the opportunity to really push hard for a consistent start in that time.

But it has to be guaranteed now for Garbutt. It's unreasonable and unsupportable. He's let Everton down.

 

[catcherintherye]

The point is not to frame his actions as being 'Machiavellian', it's to underline that he deserves no 'understanding'.

I see a lot of commentary on how his motives are 'understandable'. All the understanding though should lie with the club who have developed him and bent over backwards to accommodate him.

he is what he is: an impatient individual who's intentionally engineered his own exit in order to benefit his next club financially.

Is there really any other way to see this?

That's one way of viewing it. Another is that Leeds developed him up to the age of 16. We poached him (for a decent price) and have continued that development. He's shown he's an ambitious lad by moving on from Leeds.

He was then sent out on a variety of loans, where he did well. However we weren't willing to put our neck on the line and give him a longer contract, probably thinking he could go this season. He has surprised the club with his progress and we are left in a tricky situation.

He is a player who was allowed to head into the last 12 months of his current deal before being offered a new one. That's not his fault, it's the clubs. He obviously now wants first team football, which I think is admirable and we can't offer it to him. Unfortunately we are in a weak negotiating position if we wanted to flog him on.

In many ways the decent thing for him to do would be to sign. But who does that benefit? Everton obviously as we can ask for more money, but probably not Garbutt. As I said above we poached him from Leeds so we can hardly get on our high horses about people behaving in a similar way back to us, you reap what you sow. If I was Garbutt I'd be thinking, well they weren't willing to offer me anything last season and have left it all last minute, I'll do whats right for me.

As Evertonians we can obviously portray that as poor behaviour and paint the club as the victims in the piece. In many ways we are. And we are subjective in all of this. However if we are to look at it objectively the club have behaved in a similarly snide manner on two occasions. Firstly in poaching him against Leeds wishes and secondly only offering him the security of a long term Contract once he showed he was a first team starter. It's a bit rich for us to get on our high horse about players who show a similar fickleness.

When all is said and done though we will get some money from a Tribunal probably with a nice sell on attached. We are very well covered at Left Back, with Baines and Oviedo as well as Galloway. It's an area of the pitch we could afford to move someone on. The situations not ideal, but we are not going to implode going into the summer knowing we have Baines and Oviedo at left back and a few million quid to strengthen in other areas.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Poll added ...
Changed the thread title too. Because I can.

 

[Barkley1878]

it's up to garbutt. apparently he's been offered a pretty decent deal but you can't play 3 LB and he'll want more playing time

Agree but my point is everton should be looking at the situation of our current 2 LB's and determine if they will be upto standard now and in the next 2-3 seasons, if so great but I have a feeling Baines will continue to decline with age and Oviedo will not be the same player post 2 bad injuries (1 being a near career ender)

If we had the 28 year old baines of 2 seasons ago and a fully fit oviedo sound, but we have one 30+ just in the process of reconstruction surgery and the other looking like he's just come back from a tour of duty in Iraq

 

[catcherintherye]

Read back through comments on here, people calling him a "scab" and a "grass", it's ridiculous. I agree with everything you said there

Well yes it is poor behaviour. There can be some criticism levelled at Garbutt and I don't think he's as central as he thinks. Though calling him a scab is kopite behaviour in many ways.

 

[MikeH72]

That's a fair wedge of games in a season that's likely to be about 48 games in length. He'd have the opportunity to really push hard for a consistent start in that time.

But it has to be guaranteed now for Garbutt. It's unreasonable and unsupportable. He's let Everton down.

Would he though? Or would Baines just play every single game?

 

[Nymzee]

Did Baxter get this much abuse when he left for first team football?

 

[davek]

Dave, you've hated him ever since after that Newcastle game when he tweeted about the players not knowing or working on the formation beforehand. You saw that as a backhanded way of having a go at Martinez, which is where I think a lot of your disdain towards Garbutt comes from. I personally think you misread that whole situation and it wasn't meant at all in a snide way, which is possibly why I'm more inclined to defend him than you

There's some truth in all that, I wont deny it.

But leaving the heat out of it, those facts outlined above regarding resources and his development and Garbutt's own exit strategy cant be contradicted.

There can be no 'understanding' for him. He hasn't earned it. The reverse is true, in fact. He's deserving of nothing other than criticism.

 

[USABlue]

Agree but my point is everton should be looking at the situation of our current 2 LB's and determine if they will be upto standard now and in the next 2-3 seasons, if so great but I have a feeling Baines will continue to decline with age and Oviedo will not be the same player post 2 bad injuries (1 being a near career ender)

If we had the 28 year old baines of 2 seasons ago and a fully fit oviedo sound, but we have one 30+ just in the process of reconstruction surgery and the other looking like he's just come back from a tour of duty in Iraq

But everton did offer Garbutt a good deal, I could see this argument if Everton didn't offer him a contract but supposedly they did. they can't force him to sign it

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

There's no justification for his attitude or actions.

There is though Dave

And those justifications have been argued very eloquently by a number of posters on here

You just disagree with them

 

[MikeH72]

Did Baxter get this much abuse when he left for first team football?

I think so actually. He did reject a long term contract from the club similar to what Garbutt has. However I don't think people were as bothered because he hadn't proven himself to be a competent Premier League player already. There's no way Garbutt will be dropping down to League 1

 

[Prevenger17]

Well yes it is poor behaviour. There can be some criticism levelled at Garbutt and I don't think he's as central as he thinks. Though calling him a scab is kopite behaviour in many ways.

'Grass' is okay, though.