Luke Garbutt

[catcherintherye]

He wants to play some football. What bit about that can't you understand? Why is he a turncoat judas for wanting that?

In fairness I don't think anybody is making him out to be a turncoat. I think there has to be a realisation though that he probably wants to move on now, and also there is only a limited amount the club can do. It doesn't make him a Judas at all, he has served his contract and is no eligible to move on.

The club haven't handled this particularly well, but more historically than this season. The clubs mistake was probably last season, when he had a good loan spell to Colchester not getting him an extension for another couple of years. That's the mistake the club made, as he would have probably felt compelled to sign it. If they fancied him to have a shot at the first team it would have done no harm.

Having not done that it was always going to be difficult to get him to sign a contract in his final season. The lad is now of an age where he can play regularly probably for a premier league team. We could move Baines out of position to compensate for this, but even at this stage that would be silly to do. We could also move Garbutt to left wing, but maybe he doesn't want that.

I just think he wants to play first team football regularly. I can understand and respect that, it's nobody's fault, not the club or Garbutts, just an inevitability. We can't offer him that yet. It's a shame as I really think he will go on to be an England international he's just unfortunate we currently have the England international stopping his progress.

I hope he reconsiders in the future and signs. I highly doubt it though, as I think he wants first team football. Like with Baxter before him, I respect him for that. There's not an awful lot we can say given that's the case though. I hope we get a few million pounds from a tribunal. We already have Oviedo/Baines and now Galloway who can play there, so to get some dosh for a position we are well covered is not a bad consolation.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

We will get something for him. It'll go to a tribunal and we can get a few million quid to put toward a player who DOES want to play for us, unlike 'the lad'.

Oh be nice Dave

If he does eventually leave, it will be because he wants to play regularly and not because he doesn't value Everton as a club

If he doesn't want to spend another season sitting on a bench, then fair enough

I'm got to going to get angry over it. It is disappointing to see him leave as I think he's a promising young talent. As I've already said, I'd like him to sign another deal and go on loan next season. But if that doesn't happen, I'll wish him well and hope Browning and Galloway continue to develop

This isn't a Shane Duffy case, where the lad was ready and had a crocked Paraguyan put ahead of him in the pecking order

This is a talented LB who is behind Leighton Baines, in the last vestiges of his prime, and Bryan Oviedo who is just about to come into his

If he feels he has to leave to get minutes, then good luck to him. I can't be too angry at the club when you consider the two players in front of him

 

[flibbyflob]

Just a shame we can't tie him down to a long deal and say we will definitely loan him out for the full season next year so he can develop. Bournemouth or West Brom would be ideal clubs for him for a year and then he can come back and challenge Baines for the starting spot. Not looking likely to happen but you never know.

 

[davek]

Oh be nice Dave

If he does eventually leave, it will be because he wants to play regularly and not because he doesn't value Everton as a club

If he doesn't want to spend another season sitting on a bench, then fair enough

I'm got to going to get angry over it. It is disappointing to see him leave as I think he's a promising young talent. As I've already said, I'd like him to sign another deal and go on loan next season. But if that doesn't happen, I'll wish him well and hope Browning and Galloway continue to develop

This isn't a Shane Duffy case, where the lad was ready and had a crocked Paraguyan put ahead of him in the pecking order

This is a talented LB who is behind Leighton Baines, in the last vestiges of his prime, and Bryan Oviedo who is just about to come into his

If he feels he has to leave to get minutes, then good luck to him. I can't be too angry at the club when you consider the two players in front of him

I'm not angry about it. I'm just not lending him any support or understanding. He hasn't earned it, so I dont get why he's receiving it from some.

He wants to leave? Fine. We can get cash for him and spend it on a player chomping at the bit to play for us. Seems like a good deal to me. The sooner it happens the better.

That's where I stand on the matter.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Just a shame we can't tie him down to a long deal and say we will definitely loan him out for the full season next year so he can develop. Bournemouth or West Brom would be ideal clubs for him for a year and then he can come back and challenge Baines for the starting spot. Not looking likely to happen but you never know.

That would be my hope as well

Who knows, maybe we'll be able to retain him yet?

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I'm not angry about it. I'm just not lending him any support or understanding. He hasn't earned it, so I dont get why he's receiving it from some.

Because underneath our hard surfaces is a soft, warm, nougaty centre

Under your hard surface is cold, unforgiving, steel

Your heart is made of stone Dave

You strike it and it hurts your hand

Oh, the world hath not a sweeter creature, than he might sign with another manager and command him tasks!

 

[davek]

Because underneath our hard surfaces is a soft, warm, nougaty centre

Under your hard surface is cold, unforgiving, steel

I see a player who used Everton and now wants to move on without repaying the investment put into his development.

Look at the cold hard facts here: Everton took a chance on him; he was coached to expertise and achieved an international call up; he was rewarded for his form with first team experience in the Europa League and crucial Premier League fixtures; the manager has been underlining he's got a part to play in our future and has offered him a lengthy contract. For his part, he's responded to all those events by allowing his existing contract to run down at Everton in order to make it easier for another club to pay as little as possible to us for all the resources invested in him to be paid back in full.

He knows he'll get a break into the first team soon enough, because he's already been involved a lot already. He just wont be patient.

Out of all of that, I fail to see why we should be 'understanding' about this feller's circumstances and motives. It makes no sense to me to be anything other than disappointed in him. He's let Everton down. It's not the other way around. He has let us down.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I see a player who used Everton and now wants to move on without repaying the investment put into his development.

Look at the cold hard facts here: Everton took a chance on him; he was coached to expertise and achieved an international call up; he was rewarded for his form with first team experience in the Europa League and crucial Premier League fixtures; the manager has been underlining he's got a part to play in our future and has offered him a lengthy contract. For his part, he's responded to all those events by allowing his existing contract to run down at Everton in order to make it easier for another club to pay as little as possible to us for all the resources invested in him to be paid back in full.

He knows he'll get a break into the first team soon enough, because he's already been involved a lot already. He just wont be patient.

Out of all of that, I fail to see why we should be 'understanding' about this feller's circumstances and motives. It makes no sense to me to be anything other than disappointed in him. He's let Everton down. It's not the other way around. He has let us down.

I think you're installing overly machiavellian tendencies on the lad to be honest

I don't think what he's done is a calculated attempt to cost the club money

It's just the way it's worked out

 

[Nymzee]

I would love Luke to stay but definitely not hold it against him if he left. He's good enough to start in the PL whether that be a team like Bournemouth or higher and he's hardly getting any confidence of a future at Everton when Martinez calls him his 3rd choice left-back (personally I think he's miles better than Oviedo). He's 21 now and playing for the U21's will be of absolute no use to him whatsoever; it lacks the physicality, mentality & pressure that first team football does. Either give him the assurances and send him out on loan to a prem team or let him move on for the good of his own career. The lad has no real ties to Everton, he's not a blue anyway.

Personally I think if he leaves then the club is just stupid.

 

[MikeH72]

I'm not implying anything. It's a genuine question: if you're looking at this from an Everton perspective, what recommends him and his actions to be defended so much?

You have to support the club, not the player. He's not being mistreated, the reverse is true. So why would anyone defend that player in all of this?

I'm not saying he's being mistreated, it's everyone that's calling him out for being a judas or whatever else that's getting on my nerves. He wants to play first team football that he obviously won't get here, how is that a bad thing?

 

[peteblue]

I see a player who used Everton and now wants to move on without repaying the investment put into his development.

Look at the cold hard facts here: Everton took a chance on him; he was coached to expertise and achieved an international call up; he was rewarded for his form with first team experience in the Europa League and crucial Premier League fixtures; the manager has been underlining he's got a part to play in our future and has offered him a lengthy contract. For his part, he's responded to all those events by allowing his existing contract to run down at Everton in order to make it easier for another club to pay as little as possible to us for all the resources invested in him to be paid back in full.

He knows he'll get a break into the first team soon enough, because he's already been involved a lot already. He just wont be patient.

Out of all of that, I fail to see why we should be 'understanding' about this feller's circumstances and motives. It makes no sense to me to be anything other than disappointed in him. He's let Everton down. It's not the other way around. He has let us down.

Totally agree. If he won't sign just get shut asap......

 

[MikeH72]

In fairness I don't think anybody is making him out to be a turncoat. I think there has to be a realisation though that he probably wants to move on now, and also there is only a limited amount the club can do. It doesn't make him a Judas at all, he has served his contract and is no eligible to move on.

The club haven't handled this particularly well, but more historically than this season. The clubs mistake was probably last season, when he had a good loan spell to Colchester not getting him an extension for another couple of years. That's the mistake the club made, as he would have probably felt compelled to sign it. If they fancied him to have a shot at the first team it would have done no harm.

Having not done that it was always going to be difficult to get him to sign a contract in his final season. The lad is now of an age where he can play regularly probably for a premier league team. We could move Baines out of position to compensate for this, but even at this stage that would be silly to do. We could also move Garbutt to left wing, but maybe he doesn't want that.

I just think he wants to play first team football regularly. I can understand and respect that, it's nobody's fault, not the club or Garbutts, just an inevitability. We can't offer him that yet. It's a shame as I really think he will go on to be an England international he's just unfortunate we currently have the England international stopping his progress.

I hope he reconsiders in the future and signs. I highly doubt it though, as I think he wants first team football. Like with Baxter before him, I respect him for that. There's not an awful lot we can say given that's the case though. I hope we get a few million pounds from a tribunal. We already have Oviedo/Baines and now Galloway who can play there, so to get some dosh for a position we are well covered is not a bad consolation.

Read back through comments on here, people calling him a "scab" and a "grass", it's ridiculous. I agree with everything you said there

 

[davek]

I think you're installing overly machiavellian tendencies on the lad to be honest

I don't think what he's done is a calculated attempt to cost the club money

It's just the way it's worked out

The point is not to frame his actions as being 'Machiavellian', it's to underline that he deserves no 'understanding'.

I see a lot of commentary on how his motives are 'understandable'. All the understanding though should lie with the club who have developed him and bent over backwards to accommodate him.

he is what he is: an impatient individual who's intentionally engineered his own exit in order to benefit his next club financially.

Is there really any other way to see this?

 

[davek]

Read back through comments on here, people calling him a "scab" and a "grass", it's ridiculous. I agree with everything you said there

Well that's just footy fans for you though isn't it? You cant legislate against that reaction when they see the obvious truth of the matter that a player is effectively walking out on a club who have looked after him and assured him of a bright future.

 

[peteblue]

I think you're installing overly machiavellian tendencies on the lad to be honest

I don't think what he's done is a calculated attempt to cost the club money

It's just the way it's worked out

He and his agent know exactly what they are doing and they are doing a Moyes to screw the club out of money........