Luke Garbutt

[Prevenger17]

Is there really any other way to see this?

He's a floppy-haired grass?

 

[USABlue]

The point is not to frame his actions as being 'Machiavellian', it's to underline that he deserves no 'understanding'.

I see a lot of commentary on how his motives are 'understandable'. All the understanding though should lie with the club who have developed him and bent over backwards to accommodate him.

he is what he is: an impatient individual who's intentionally engineered his own exit in order to benefit his next club financially.

Is there really any other way to see this?

made sense up until there. he may be impatient but doubt he's concerned with whatever his next club would need to pay as long as he gets guaranteed 1st team football
edit: like you mentioned before if he does go we'll get a few mil from tribunial anyways, it's not as if we'd get 10m selling him outright

 

[peteblue]

I'm not saying he's being mistreated, it's everyone that's calling him out for being a judas or whatever else that's getting on my nerves. He wants to play first team football that he obviously won't get here, how is that a bad thing?

How is that a good thing for the club.......

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

The point is not to frame his actions as being 'Machiavellian', it's to underline that he deserves no 'understanding'.

I see a lot of commentary on how his motives are 'understandable'. All the understanding though should lie with the club who have developed him and bent over backwards to accommodate him.

he is what he is: an impatient individual who's intentionally engineered his own exit in order to benefit his next club financially.

Is there really any other way to see this?

I'm not convinced the club has done that to be fair

Don't get me wrong, he's not had a rum deal or anything, but he's hardly been treated as well as you're making out

Yeah, he played in the Europa League, but he more than held his own. It wasn't an act of charity that he got those games. He got them because he was good enough to play in them

Yes, he's impatient, but he's a young lad. Impatience kind of goes with the territory

 

[MikeH72]

Well that's just footy fans for you though isn't it? You cant legislate against that reaction when they see the obvious truth of the matter that a player is effectively walking out on a club who have looked after him and assured him of a bright future.

He's nearly 22, he knows he needs to be playing week in week out! If comments on here are to be believed, he's massively inferior to both Baines and Oviedo anyway so we won't even miss him. If he wants to play regular football for the sake of his own career rather than accept a big contract to rot on the bench, I'd say that makes him the opposite of a mercenary actually

 

[davek]

He's a floppy-haired grass?

I prefer the term 'Tyke snide'.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

He and his agent know exactly what they are doing and they are doing a Moyes to screw the club out of money........

Why would they screw the club out of money though?

I mean, they've been offered a good deal to stay with the club

Could a team like Bournmouth offer more money than we could? All they could offer would be more minutes

There has been no calculation on the players part at all, other than realising he won't get the minutes he wants here and that he wants a move now rather than in a years time

He couldn't sign a three year deal now and then go in August. We'd have the FA spitting feathers

 

[MikeH72]

I see a player who used Everton and now wants to move on without repaying the investment put into his development.

Look at the cold hard facts here: Everton took a chance on him; he was coached to expertise and achieved an international call up; he was rewarded for his form with first team experience in the Europa League and crucial Premier League fixtures; the manager has been underlining he's got a part to play in our future and has offered him a lengthy contract. For his part, he's responded to all those events by allowing his existing contract to run down at Everton in order to make it easier for another club to pay as little as possible to us for all the resources invested in him to be paid back in full.

He knows he'll get a break into the first team soon enough, because he's already been involved a lot already. He just wont be patient.

Out of all of that, I fail to see why we should be 'understanding' about this feller's circumstances and motives. It makes no sense to me to be anything other than disappointed in him. He's let Everton down. It's not the other way around. He has let us down.

Dave, you've hated him ever since after that Newcastle game when he tweeted about the players not knowing or working on the formation beforehand. You saw that as a backhanded way of having a go at Martinez, which is where I think a lot of your disdain towards Garbutt comes from. I personally think you misread that whole situation and it wasn't meant at all in a snide way, which is possibly why I'm more inclined to defend him than you

 

[peteblue]

He's nearly 22, he knows he needs to be playing week in week out! If comments on here are to be believed, he's massively inferior to both Baines and Oviedo anyway so we won't even miss him. If he wants to play regular football for the sake of his own career rather than accept a big contract to rot on the bench, I'd say that makes him the opposite of a mercenary actually

You are kidding aren't you. He knows full well that having run down his contract he will be given more by his new club than he would have gotten at Everton.......it is a cynical ploy and should be seen as such........

 

[peteblue]

He couldn't sign a three year deal now and then go in August. We'd have the FA spitting feathers

Why ?.......

 

[davek]

made sense up until there. he may be impatient but doubt he's concerned with whatever his next club would need to pay as long as he gets guaranteed 1st team football
edit: like you mentioned before if he does go we'll get a few mil from tribunial anyways, it's not as if we'd get 10m selling him outright

His tribunal fee will be in the region of £4-5M, I'd expect. If he'd have signed a new contract and played well in between 15-20 games in all competitions next season his value would soar.

I think that tribunal valuation needs looking at in cases like this where a player falls between two stools of having good top flight experience and almost no experience at all at that level.

 

[Nymzee]

I'd condemn any football player of his age for being happy to just sit there and accept they're 3rd choice in their position at a club. Moving to play more football can only be respected IMHO.

 

[USABlue]

His tribunal fee will be in the region of £4-5M, I'd expect. If he'd have signed a new contract and played well in between 15-20 games in all competitions next season his value would soar.

I think that tribunal valuation needs looking at in cases like this where a player falls between two stools of having good top flight experience and almost no experience at all at that level.

that's the issue though dave. if we have solid cup runs in addition to the league he'd only be playing about 1/3 of the games next season. At the stage of his career he probably wants to be playing week in week out. impatience is a fair assessment but don't think its about the money

 

[Barkley1878]

Too many helmet fans for my liking.

Aye put our hopes into a 30 year old whose having reconstructive surgery and on the gradual decline, and a lad whose just had 1 near career ending injury and another broken bone (done the likes of Falcao, Owen and torres no harm) we could have 2 below par players in Baines and Oviedo post injuries/age no one knows but let's let a promising 21 year old go for nowt, who loves evertons business strategies or lack of one

 

[davek]

I'm not convinced the club has done that to be fair

Don't get me wrong, he's not had a rum deal or anything, but he's hardly been treated as well as you're making out

Yeah, he played in the Europa League, but he more than held his own. It wasn't an act of charity that he got those games. He got them because he was good enough to play in them

Yes, he's impatient, but he's a young lad. Impatience kind of goes with the territory

He's been very well treated and brought through with skill and patience. He just wont accept the club's position that there will be competition for places. That's a terrible attitude to have and an insult to what we're trying to do here: be competitive in all areas of the squad.

There's no justification for his attitude or actions.