Luke Garbutt

[Walken]

The decision to play Hibbert was correct, and not because of the result. You could say we were lucky to get away with it if Hibbert played bad but Howard saved the day, and Tony didnt let us down.

Fans can just look at the 90 minutes on the pitch but Roberto has go deeper than that. Not just with one eye on Thursday night but with the way West Ham set up he will of known that whoever he picked was going to be asked to do a lot of work, something Garbutt isnt experienced enough for but Tony is, and Roberto knows this.

In the summer plenty questioned the new contract for Hibbert, but the amount of games he has had to play this season has shown that it was the right one.

the left hand side was dreadful against west ham, hibbert couldn't even stay in position and looked like he was trying to play in a back three at times, west ham put crosses in from our left time and time again, going froward it was laughable, and we were at home, he can't use his left foot and cut inside to punt long balls forward. The most important thing in football is balance, and we had none because of his decision. Garbutt has more experience of playing left back than hibbert, it was a cowardly decision, pick the old pro first, and sets a worrying precedent for his regime, along with his initial reluctance to alter distin and jags, and his over playing of barry resulting in injury. But people are willing to sycophantically defend anything it seems, playing hibbert left back is just beyond appalling unless you have no other choice, I don't blame hibbert for that, but picking an extremely one footed player, who has little confidence or ability on the ball on the wrong side of the pitch, there is no school of coaching that will tell you this makes sense, no matter how many people will blindly defend our manager

 

[blukaku]

the left hand side was dreadful against west ham, hibbert couldn't even stay in position and looked like he was trying to play in a back three at times, west ham put crosses in from our left time and time again, going froward it was laughable, and we were at home, he can't use his left foot and cut inside to punt long balls forward. The most important thing in football is balance, and we had none because of his decision. Garbutt has more experience of playing left back than hibbert, it was a cowardly decision, pick the old pro first, and sets a worrying precedent for his regime, along with his initial reluctance to alter distin and jags, and his over playing of barry resulting in injury. But people are willing to sycophantically defend anything it seems, playing hibbert left back is just beyond appalling unless you have no other choice, I don't blame hibbert for that, but picking an extremely one footed player, who has little confidence or ability on the ball on the wrong side of the pitch, there is no school of coaching that will tell you this makes sense, no matter how many people will blindly defend our manager

I agree, but to be fair he knew that Luke probably wasn't ready to play 2 games in a row, so Hibbert was pretty much the only option.

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

well that ends all tactical debate, we can never improve on beating west ham at home, lets pick that team every week no matter how poor a decision it was, and how lucky we were to get away with it

No. You weren't having a tactical debate. You shut down the manager's decision as the wrong one because you didn't like it.
We won the game. We can't know if playing Garbutt over Hibbert in that game would have been better. He clearly made the decision that playing against Wolfsburg away in Europe would be a better game to introduce Garbutt to the team.
Now, yes, we know that Garbutt is more suitable for the role and I'd be happy with him at LB vs Spurs, but Roberto got the decision right considering we're sitting with back to back wins.

 

[I LOVE EVERTON]

Good perfomance from Garbutt last night, new baines

 

[blue4eva77]

I was very happy with this lads performance last night. Kept an in-form de bruyne at bay and seemed very composed. For a first start in europe, away from home to one of europes in-form sides, you couldnt ask for much more.

Rightfully deserved a few pat on the backs from the lads at the end. We really do have quality defensively at our club.

 

[sageyefc]

the left hand side was dreadful against west ham, hibbert couldn't even stay in position and looked like he was trying to play in a back three at times, west ham put crosses in from our left time and time again, going froward it was laughable, and we were at home, he can't use his left foot and cut inside to punt long balls forward. The most important thing in football is balance, and we had none because of his decision. Garbutt has more experience of playing left back than hibbert, it was a cowardly decision, pick the old pro first, and sets a worrying precedent for his regime, along with his initial reluctance to alter distin and jags, and his over playing of barry resulting in injury. But people are willing to sycophantically defend anything it seems, playing hibbert left back is just beyond appalling unless you have no other choice, I don't blame hibbert for that, but picking an extremely one footed player, who has little confidence or ability on the ball on the wrong side of the pitch, there is no school of coaching that will tell you this makes sense, no matter how many people will blindly defend our manager

Oh behave, im a massive fan of Garbutts but he wouldve been targetted all day long against west ham, they wouldve tried to bully him, send diagonals and stick carroll or cole on him, wouldve been a slog.

Not to much of a fan of hibbo these days but hes wiley enough to deal with nobhead tactics like that and did well covering round the back at times, yes hes [Poor language removed] going forward and looks awkward on the ball, but when you have a half fit miralles as the covering winger its wiser to have a defensive player on that side

 

[Walken]

No. You weren't having a tactical debate. You shut down the manager's decision as the wrong one because you didn't like it.
We won the game. We can't know if playing Garbutt over Hibbert in that game would have been better. He clearly made the decision that playing against Wolfsburg away in Europe would be a better game to introduce Garbutt to the team.
Now, yes, we know that Garbutt is more suitable for the role and I'd be happy with him at LB vs Spurs, but Roberto got the decision right considering we're sitting with back to back wins.

your right its not a decision I like to see mate, and it massively dissapointed me, I don't blame hibbert for his performance, and he was also decent enough against wolfsburg, for me though playing him left back sent out the wrong message, tactically i do think it was poor and our shape both going forward and defensively was very poor for me, berto, yes berto, was very progressive last season, yet this year I think he has got it wrong a few times, Stones should have been in sooner, and if Barry is going to play his 3 years with us, which I hope he does, then he has to be managed better when we have the options available. I don't see why Garbutt can't play two games in row if hibbert can though, he's looked a good player for a while and I feel the manager should show a bit more faith in youth, we aren't going to challenge the big boys by buying established stars, but by creating our own culture through recruiting and developing youth while adding other players, I think that is what the manager wants also, but for me, he bottled it against west ham. Yes we got the result, but I don't think that should be the end of the analysis right there

 

[Azzurri]

Hibbert against West Ham was still the right decision, no matter how well Garbutt did last night IMO.

Garbutt had played 180 minutes for England in midweek and would be subject to West Ham's knobhead tactics. While Hibbert offered nothing going forward he was hard and experienced enough to deal with the long balls.

Garbutt played last night under arguably less pressure away from home and against a team more similar in style to the ones he's used to playing against. He did really well, but let's not say that must mean he should have played against West Ham.

Great corners by the way.

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

your right its not a decision I like to see mate, and it massively dissapointed me, I don't blame hibbert for his performance, and he was also decent enough against wolfsburg, for me though playing him left back sent out the wrong message, tactically i do think it was poor and our shape both going forward and defensively was very poor for me, berto, yes berto, was very progressive last season, yet this year I think he has got it wrong a few times, Stones should have been in sooner, and if Barry is going to play his 3 years with us, which I hope he does, then he has to be managed better when we have the options available. I don't see why Garbutt can't play two games in row if hibbert can though, he's looked a good player for a while and I feel the manager should show a bit more faith in youth, we aren't going to challenge the big boys by buying established stars, but by creating our own culture through recruiting and developing youth while adding other players, I think that is what the manager wants also, but for me, he bottled it against west ham. Yes we got the result, but I don't think that should be the end of the analysis right there

Browning has already cameo'd twice vs LFC and MUFC this season.
Stones and Barkley are established in the 1st team.
Roberto has already specifically said that he won't recruit in Jan because he'd rather turn to the likes of Galloway.
Ledson would have debuted already if he wasn't given permission to Captain Eng u17s last season.
The culture of youth development is alive and well at this club. Playing Hibbo ahead of Garbutt in a single game for what seems to have been tactical reasons doesn't indicate a betrayal of this culture.

 

[Walken]

Browning has already cameo'd twice vs LFC and MUFC this season.
Stones and Barkley are established in the 1st team.
Roberto has already specifically said that he won't recruit in Jan because he'd rather turn to the likes of Galloway.
Ledson would have debuted already if he wasn't given permission to Captain Eng u17s last season.
The culture of youth development is alive and well at this club. Playing Hibbo ahead of Garbutt in a single game for what seems to have been tactical reasons doesn't indicate a betrayal of this culture.

I haven't lost faith in him yet, but certain things have bothered me this season, stones took what felt like an age to be brought in when our ch's were looked lost, both are playing better now, but there was a reluctance to change them. Barry has been overplayed and in my mind is injured as a result, he looked leggy towards the end of last season, and this year we have far more games, maybe the argument is he wants to give besic and gibson time for different reasons and they will fill in later in the season, but we will have to wait to see. Barkley playin out of position this season, okay I can let that slide, naismith has played well, though2 goals in 10 games isn't undroppable form, if lukaku had that record currently people would be calling him all sorts. I do believe that the manager is of the same thinking but then moyes probably was at some point, but lacked the conviction to follow through, hibbert at left back i don't believe worked and we didnt win the game because he played there, and I really don't want us to be making selections based on playing against grocks, 9 times out of ten the better balanced better footballing team will win

 

[Woolly Blue]

He played well last night.

I'm struggling to remember anything he did wrong, positioning defensively, tracking back without diving in and decent going forward.

I hear what people are saying about the contract situation, but he's barely turned out for the first team and, while he's plainly decent, at the moment he doesn't look like a world-beater who automatically justifies a place in tough matches, even with Baines injured. I'd guess he'll get more games as the season progresses and he'll have to make a judgement on whether to stay and continue to learn his trade here or leave for more first team football.

I hope he stays, but one pretty much world class and two other ( potentially ) high class left backs is probably one too many for most clubs, and that includes us.

 

[Brennan]

It'll be interesting to see how Martinez handles having Baines/Oviedo/Garbutt all available.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

It'll be interesting to see how Martinez handles having Baines/Oviedo/Garbutt all available.

What like "shag marry kill"?

 

[LinekersLegs]

He played well last night.

I'm struggling to remember anything he did wrong, positioning defensively, tracking back without diving in and decent going forward.

I hear what people are saying about the contract situation, but he's barely turned out for the first team and, while he's plainly decent, at the moment he doesn't look like a world-beater who automatically justifies a place in tough matches, even with Baines injured. I'd guess he'll get more games as the season progresses and he'll have to make a judgement on whether to stay and continue to learn his trade here or leave for more first team football.

I hope he stays, but one pretty much world class and two other ( potentially ) high class left backs is probably one too many for most clubs, and that includes us.

He was facing Kevin de Bruyne for one half and Perisic the other, both very good international players, and neither really troubled him. Gives me faith that he could handle tough matches in the league, he was more solid defensively than I expected despite seeing him in several games before.

Oviedo is taking a while to get back fit, whether that is a deliberate attempt to ease him back slowly or if he has had a setback after he had the pins out if his leg I don't know but it certainly gives an opportunity to Luke whilst he recovers.

But long term I agree with you, will be tough to give all three a decent amount of games in their favoured position especially since Baines is one of our fittest players.

 

[Furey1878]

He was facing Kevin de Bruyne for one half and Perisic the other, both very good international players, and neither really troubled him. Gives me faith that he could handle tough matches in the league, he was more solid defensively than I expected despite seeing him in several games before.

Oviedo is taking a while to get back fit, whether that is a deliberate attempt to ease him back slowly or if he has had a setback after he had the pins out if his leg I don't know but it certainly gives an opportunity to Luke whilst he recovers.

But long term I agree with you, will be tough to give all three a decent amount of games in their favoured position especially since Baines is one of our fittest players.

I wholeheartedly agree, mate: http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/who-is-evertons-sexiest-player.71387/page-5#post-3175146