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Manchester City's Sham Trial

JimmyJeffers said:
@anxiouswarrior battering @stony all over here. Would like to see them try cheating their way out this one.
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The generally poor grammar on display from both makes it hard to get a real grasp of what is going on, but I'd give Round 1 to AW 10-9.

Rumour has it @stony is preparing a 64-point appeal, in the hope that 1 or 2 might be vaguely on the money and he can live to fight another day.
 
Thomasc said:
Lot of willy waving in here.

Just for complete clarification, Man U and Liverpool are everything that is wrong with the premier league. They are the biggest brands due to desperate, trophy hunting internet warrior supporters from afar, and after trying to demand more TV money than other clubs and for their part in the super league, they will always be the real scabs of the league.

City for their part, if they have broken any rules will be rightly punished and they cannot complain.

The PL stinks though and is geared up to stop another city happening. They cannot have the cartel of Man U and Liverpool not challenging, it ruins the world wide fan appeal of the PL.
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Correct, find it bit funny that teams that have nearly always spent the most money over the last two decades and have every benefit in European competition, seeding, that's even started to happen in the home cup competitions, kept out of earlier rounds and kept apart. Are also exempt it seems from PSR and the crap one sided system that was used before it.
 

Thomasc said:
Don’t ever recall Man City demanding they get more Tv money than other clubs out of nothing but pure greed, but ok.
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You're correct. one look at the actions of that 'G14' group shows that the scab behaviour has been going on for many years now. Even moves to form a super league as far back as the 90's.

City are blatant cheats though. Higher turnover than the RS and Man U? Don't make me laugh. No way on gods earth that club brings in more money organically than those two. Despite all their success, they are still not even the biggest club in Manchester. Not even close.

Anyway, more on that G14 thing...

The G-14 was founded on 14 October in 1998 by 14 leading clubs to provide a unified voice in negotiations with UEFA and FIFA. New members could join by invitation only.

Italian company Media Partners had planned a European breakaway league for the G-14 teams, forcing UEFA to expand the Champions League from 16 to 32 clubs for the 1999–2000 season.

In August 2002, four more clubs joined, taking the membership to 18, although the organisation retained its original name.

The idea of a breakaway league similar to the basketball ULEB Euroleague re-emerged in December 2003 when a group of Spanish businessmen, headed by entrepreneur Carlos Garcia Pardo, said that they are aiming to establish a 16-team competition called the "European Golden Cup" as a rival to UEFA Champions League.

During that time the G-14 group were reportedly unhappy that UEFA has opted to cut the second phase of the Champions League from the 2003–04 season: a move that reduced each club's number of potential European matches by four. As a result, G-14 were reported to be considering for a European superleague to begin in the season 2006–07, when the latest television deal for the Champions League would end.

As the leading clubs in European Football, their power on the world stage was best demonstrated during the 2006 FIFA World Cup, where they provided 22% of participating players.[citation needed] This supported their assertion that national associations should pay players' wages whilst on international duty and provide compensation in the case of injuries. In April 2004, G-14 initiated a preliminary investigation into FIFA by the Swiss Competition Commission, when they complained of FIFA's requiring their players to be available for FIFA international competitions without compensating the clubs. FIFA president Sepp Blatter refused to negotiate with the G-14 on the matter.[citation needed]

On 5 September 2005, the G-14 clubs decided to take FIFA to court over paying players for internationals after the Belgian club Charleroi lost Abdelmajid Oulmers in November for eight months when he was injured playing for Morocco.[citation needed]

Prior to the 2006 World Cup, the G-14 members demanded a "fair percentage" of receipts from tournaments, such as the World Cup, to compensate for the clubs releasing players to compete in these tournaments.[2]

The last president of the group was Olympique Lyonnais chairman Jean-Michel Aulas, who replaced David Dein, who stepped down after six months of a two-year presidency after leaving Arsenal. Aulas was elected president on 16 May 2007, after securing unanimous agreement from member clubs to the principle of expanding the G-14's membership. Aulas announced his intention to consider inviting a further 16 teams to join, stating that he wanted the G14 "to expand geographically and be strengthened by other clubs".[3][4] In October 2007, 22 additional European clubs were invited to participate in talks towards expansion.[5]

On 28 May 2007, at an extraordinary meeting of the UEFA Congress in Zürich, UEFA President Michel Platini called upon G-14 to disband, declaring that they were "elitist" and that club grievances could be aired through a new UEFA body, the Professional Football Strategy Council.[6]

On 15 January 2008, the G-14 and UEFA came to an agreement. FIFA and UEFA would pay compensation for international injuries and selection after a World Cup or European Championship and, in return, the G-14 agreed to disband on 15 February 2008. However a new European Club Association, created in that year by a merge between the G-14 and the European Club Forum,[7] a task force created by the confederation in 2002 and composed by 103 clubs from then 53 nations affiliated to UEFA[7] (at least one team from each country), including all G-14 clubs, was set up in its place.[8
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John from Bootle said:
City are blatant cheats though. Higher turnover than the RS and Man U? Don't make me laugh. No way on gods earth that club brings in more money organically than those two. Despite all their success, they are still not even the biggest club in Manchester. Not even close.
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Of course they don’t organically bring in more money than the big reds. They don’t have the global fan base of glory hunters those clubs have.

Are we just saying that United and Liverpool have the right to be top of the tree forever just because of those global fans?
 
Thomasc said:
Of course they don’t organically bring in more money than the big reds. They don’t have the global fan base of glory hunters those clubs have.

Are we just saying that United and Liverpool have the right to be top of the tree forever just because of those global fans?
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Whether the rules are fair or not is neither here nor there, as we've already discovered. It's my opinion that they will soon be found guilty of cheating.
 
John from Bootle said:
Whether the rules are fair or not is neither here nor there, as we've already discovered. It's my opinion that they will soon be found guilty of cheating.
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Beg to differ. Whether the rules are fair or not is EXACTLY the point, at least if we actually want to see all of the people harming the sport's integrity and competition punished , and not merely join the RS and Utd fans knitting by the guillotine... Whether City get done or not concerns me far less than getting something done to redress the ever-widening gap between the haves and have nots which is perpetuated by the current shambolic rules.

Teams get billions invested - get hugely successful - end up with sustainable wealth. Get on step up.
Another team gets a billionaire invester, tries to do the same, gets hands tied behind back and kept 'in their place'

It's both absurd and obscene that it's not only supported but enforced.
 

Pilks said:
Beg to differ. Whether the rules are fair or not is EXACTLY the point, at least if we actually want to see all of the people harming the sport's integrity and competition punished , and not merely join the RS and Utd fans knitting by the guillotine... Whether City get done or not concerns me far less than getting something done to redress the ever-widening gap between the haves and have nots which is perpetuated by the current shambolic rules.

Teams get billions invested - get hugely successful - end up with sustainable wealth. Get on step up.
Another team gets a billionaire invester, tries to do the same, gets hands tied behind back and kept 'in their place'

It's both absurd and obscene that it's not only supported but enforced.
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Oh okay mate. let's just ignore the rules then. Ignore the fact some clubs have already been punished. . Ignore the fact that clubs have actively had to sell players to comply.

Christ.

They're guilty imo, and they will get the book rightfully thrown at them.

Also not arsed if teams don't have as much organic money as others. We have more organic money than over 90% of football teams in this country. Never heard people complain about that. It's much fairer than simply 'who has more money than Saudi?' Because the answer to that is nobody..

Do people not realise City have made this league the most boring spectacle in football.? Get used it to it, because if you have your way, it's likely Newcastle probably win about 30 in a row at some point. That should be great, eh?
 

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